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People of the state of California Vs Conrad Murray

all the last preliminary hearing updates from the website


That blog above, was LIVE updated from the courtroom(i used to check it during the last preliminary hearings’ days), so if u read some dates that u do not recognize, as titles of some posts, probably it’s because  of the Time zone


Tuesday, January 4, 2011

Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 1, Part 1

Prosecution Witnesses
1 Kenneth Ortega (Co-director, Co-creator, THIS IS IT tour)
2 Michael Amir Williams (Personal Assistant to Michael Jackson)
3 Faheem Mohamed (Head of Jackson’s security)

Continued from….

8:30 am
I’m inside the courtroom. I’ve got an ideal seat in one of the cushy padded rolling chairs with arms right in front of the video screen. Steven Mikulan and Public Information Officer (PIO) Pat Kelly are talking about the fans. One fan has an armband that says “Sony Kills.” As much as I’d like to be in the actual courtroom, this isn’t bad. I will miss seeing which Jackson family members attend the prelim and will have to read the MSM to find out.

There is a full page sheet of instructions to the media about what is and isn’t allowed inside the courtroom or overflow room. You can leave, but you can’t reenter until there is a break in the proceedings. (Later, these rules in the overflow room are not strictly enforced. In the afternoon, some reporters enter the overflow room very quietly after the prelim had started up again.)

ASHLEY BANFIELD! That’s the name of the on-air correspondent I couldn’t remember! She just entered the overflow room.

Pat Kelly tells us the cameras are voice activated. So whomever speaks, the camera will go in that direction. She said they tried it out last night. At the moment, there are few reporters here…not even a dozen.

Several of the reporters are quite surprised at the rules for covering the prelim. From my point of view, it’s being treated just like an extension of Pastor’s courtroom. Pat Kelly states “there is no transmission from this room, ever.” One reporter asks, “How about downloading?” Pat replies, “If you want to transmit, you must go out to the hallway.” The rules apply to download also. I’ll post them later tonight.

It’s two minutes now until the Judge takes the bench. Some reporters jokingly ask if there will be a ball drop. I really like Pat Kelly. She is professional but at the same time she is not afraid to inject a bit of levity into the event.

Earlier in the lobby, Beth Karas introduced me to two people this morning and they just enter the overflow room…but I’ve forgotten their names already. My memory is failing me. Steven tells me he has the same problem and has just forgotten what I’ve told him.

I take a peek over at Steven’s notes. He’s writing about the fans who were on Temple Street. He was there and tells me it was a big scene. I missed it because I came in through the back of the building. You can read Steven’s report in THE WRAP.com.

Judge Pastor’s courtroom appears on screen! I see the back of my favorite court reporter, Mavis. I’m pretty sure it’s her. I met her during the Cameron Brown retrial. She’s a gem.

The view of the courtroom is from the jury box. It’s a still camera. It’s not being operated by someone to zoom in on someone who is speaking. You can see the Judge, the witness and the prosecutors. It’s more difficult to see the defense table and the defendant. Currently, we have zero audio. So we are missing the beginnings of the prelim.

Steven says he can’t see the defendant at the defense table. He is too far away. Then the sound finally comes on Judge Pastor is speaking. He is verifying that there are no defense witnesses present.

The overflow courtroom is Dept 110 this week and Dept 109 next week.

Pastor talks about the rules for the courtroom.

No gum chewing. No food or drink. No cell phones. Electronic devices in the courtroom for note taking only. No cell phone sending or receiving. Audience members must follow courtroom procedure at all time. Violations may include contempt of court proceedings against the violator.

Deputy Dist. Atty. David Walgren is the co-prosecutor along with Deputy Dist. Atty. Deborah Brazil. Ms. Brazil and Alan Jackson did the prelim hearing last January in the Lily Burk case.

David Walgren presents the opening statement. I’m surprised there is an opening statement. From my recollection, Jackson and Brazil did not present one in the Burk prelim.

The people will be calling a number of witness, 20 to 30 witnesses who will testify to the relevant facts surround Michael Jackson’s death.

Walgren gives the background at to what was taking place weeks before Jackson’s death.

The evidence will show Michael Jackson was preparing for the important tour of his life. THIS IS IT. It was to begin in London, in August, 2009. Jackson was preparing for it. It was to be a major world event. Rehearsals began in Burbank. Later, they were transferred over to The Forum. Next, the rehearsals were taking place at The Staples Center in downtown.

The people and Michael would rehearse in the afternoon and evenings. When rehearsals were over, Jackson would return to his (rented) home in Holmby Hills, 100 Carolwood Dr.

Dr. Murray was not working under a contract with Michael Jackson, but in the months before he was working as Michael Jackson’s doctor. He had previously treated Jackson’s children.

Dr. Murray was treating Michael Jackson at his home, 100 North Carolwood. He would go to Jackson’s house in the evening. He would stay overnight at the location and provide care to Michael Jackson. According to Conrad Murray himself, these visits were six nights a week, for two straight months. He was giving Michael Jackson propofol to assist him in going to sleep. This was going on every sinlge night for two months. It’s a powerful anesthetic used for surgery. There is no indication for it to be used for insomnia. It’s specifically used for surgery.

On Tuesday, (June 23rd, 2009) Jackson followed his normal routine to the Staple Center for rehearsals. The rehearsals went fabulous and Michael Jackson was optimistic. Everyone was impressed with the energy and optimism that Michael Jackson portrayed.

The following day, (June 24th, 2009) Jackson followed his same routine and arrived at the Staples Center and begins his rehearsal. By all accounts it was a fabulous, energetic, rehearsal and Michael Jackson left optimistic for the future.

On June 24th, he returns home around 1 am. Actually, it’s June 25th. Dr. Murray’s car was parked in the driveway. Security dropped Michael off and the security detail departed for the evening.

A reporter is being kicked out of the overflow room.

Documents will show the emails placed by Dr. Murray and the telephone calls that were (made and received). Dr. Murray began his treatment by giving Michael a Valium pill. That was followed by and IV at 2 am with midazolam ( a benzodiazepine). At 3 am, that was followed by another sedative given through the IV. At 5 am, another treatment of diazepam. According to Dr. Murray between 1 and 10 am in the morning he slowly infused Michale with Propofol.

At some point Michael Jackson ceases to breathe and dies. The evidence will show through the paramedics, that by all accounts Jackson was dead in the bedroom at 100 N Carolwood prior to the paramedics arriving at the location.

Piecing together what happened, there were only two people in that room. The People will present various emails and telephone calls by Dr. Murray.

At 11:50 am, a phone call Dr. Murray made to an assistant lasted 11 minutes. At some point the phone conversation stopped. The assistant got of the phone and tried to call Dr. Murray back. There was a commotion in the bedroom that the person heard.

(The People) believe that Michael Jackson might have stopped breathing and it was at that time that Dr. Murray became aware (of the serious condition of his patient).

Dr. Murray did not call 911. He called one of Michael Jackson’s security personnel. He told security to call for help right away. He needs help. At 12:12 p.m. (he made a) phone call (to Michael Amir Williams, Jackson’s personal assistant).

Michael Amir Williams was not at the location. Michael Amir calls Faheem Mohammed (head of Jackson’s security) who was not at the location either. They both drive back towards the house. Learning that Faheem was not at the house Michael Amir calls someone else. At 12 :17 pm Alberto Alvarez receives a phone from Michael Amir.

Security was stationed outside the house. They had their own trailer (on the property). The security detail was finally allowed upstairs where Dr. Murry was (treating Jackson). (Alberto Alvarez) sees Dr. Murray trying to do CPR on the bed, one handed. Dr. Murray repeats that Michael Jackson had a bad reaction.

Dr. Murray begins to distract Alvarez to collect evidence. 911 has not yet been called or ordered to be called by Dr. Murray.

Dr. Murray is having Alvarez help him collect various bottles of medicine, medical paraphernalia medical bottles, wrappings, and dropping them in a (plastic?) bag. Dr. Murray tells Alvarez to grab the bag on the IV that was hanging. Alberto Alvarez grabs that bag and places it in with the other items. It’s only then he is told to call 911. The 911 was placed at 12:21 p.m.

Alvarez was called (by Michael Amir) at 12:12 p.m. The shortest time Dr. Murray waited to call was 9 minutes. That’s assuming that 12:12 p.m. is the first time that Dr. Murry knows of Michael Jackson’s demise. Circumstantially it was at 12 noon that Dr. Murry may have paid enough attention to Michael Jackson (to notice his distress). Paramedics were on site within 4 minutes.

(Paramedics found) Michael Jackson’s eyes were fixed and dilated. Wide open. He was cool to the touch. Asystole. Completely flat lined. Cold to the touch.

(According to) paramedics Goodwin, Senneff (sp?) and Blunt, Michael Jackson was dead upon arrival of their treatment. They did not observe any standard medical treatment that one would expect to see with Poropfol. such as a heart monitor, (oxygen?) etc. Paramedic Senneff asked about his underlying medical condition. Dr. Murray , told him there was nothing. He (Michael Jackson) was dehydrated. The only thing Dr. Murray reveals to the paramedics is the (nordiazepam). He doesn’t mention the benzodiazepines or giving Michael Jackson Propofol.

If the paramedics had the full information they could have acted appropriately. (The doctors at UCLA; same thing.) He never told the paramedics or the UCLA doctors about the Propofol!)

Paramedics treating at 12:27 pm. The paramedics treatments all failed.

12 ;57 pm. (UCLA?) advises they are prepared to call it. They announce Michael Jackson deceased.

Dr. Murray states he will assume care.

1:07 pm The medical team takes Jackson to UCLA: (Arrive?) 1:13 pm, where the care is taken over by Dr. Cooper and Dr. Winn of UCLA. They also inquired of Dr. Murray what Michael Jackson was treated (with). All they were told was he had given him (mirazapam?), a Valium, and also on flomax. He did not mention anything about the {ropofol treatment. Not a word was said about Propofol to UCLA doctors.

DW: They tried all they could to bring Michael Jackson back to life. He remained asystole. Dr. Cooper, at 2:26 pm pronounced Jackson dead. At some point Dr. Murray walked out of the hospital and went on his way. LAPD tried to contact Dr. Murray; they were not able to reach him. Two days later he was interviewed by LAPD with his attorney. It was at that interview where it was learned what Dr. Murray had given Michael Jackson.

DW: The autopsy concluded that Michael Jackson died of acute Psssropofol poisoning along with benzodiazepine. the court will learn from these medical experts, there are a number of actions of Dr. Murray did that deviated from the expected standard of care.

The fact that Propofol was given in a home setting instead of a surgical room, without the assisting medical equipment. The fact that no attending staff or assistants was made available for Dr. Murray. The fact that it was given in conjunction with several benzodiazepine’s. The fact that he was trying to do CPR with one hand on a bed. (The fact that there was a failure to maintain any appropriate medical records, and the failure to advise the paramedics or treating medical doctors (to the medications/treatment given).

This is the end of the prosecution’s opening statement. From this alone, it sounds bad for Dr. Murray.

Defense Atty., Ed Chernoff will not prepare an opening statement.

I’m beat. I’ve been transcribing my notes for over 3 hours and I have to get up early tomorrow. I will most likely be way behind the MSM in my reporting but I will get all my notes up eventually.

End of Part I


January 5, 2011


Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 1, Part II

Edit by Sprocket 9:30 p.m. 1/12/11.
More testimony added & Day 1 now complete. 

Continued from Part I…

Kenneth Ortega 1st witness.

I can not see Dr. Murray on the screen. He’s there somewhere on that row of tables, but he’s the farthest away. I whisper to Steven (Mikulan), “Sounds pretty incriminating so far.” Steven responds with a funny quip back. (You can read Steven’s piece in THE WRAP, here.)

Mrs. Benson gives the oath to Kenny Ortega. Judge Pastor gives his regular message to the witness that I’ve seen him give during the Brown trial. Ortega is a director and choreographer of film and television since the 1970’s & 1980’s. At some time he met Michael Jackson.

The witness first met him 1991. In a professional capacity. Michael contacted him and asked if they could meet and set up a creative partnership. Interested in having him direct his next tour.

There’s someone’s cell phone that went off that’s interrupting the proceedings.

Michael Jackson wanted help in directing his “Dangerous” world tour. Started 1992. He was to work as a director and choreographer. They remained in a (working) relationship up until his death.

KO: Most of the time that we saw each other when we were starting up and rehearsing a production. The last year, we talked in advance of starting THIS IS IT. They had dinner a couple of times, and Jackson came to see a concert I directed; he came with his kids.

Was involved in the directing and co-creating of the THIS IS IT. Began in April 2009. Came on the team in 2009. His role co-directed and co-created with Michael Jackson, the stage production.

DW: How frequently did you see him?
KO: 2 or 4 days a week in the beginning, 4-5 days a week, once we got into production. That frequency continued all the way up until June 25th, 2009.

Described his demeanor.

KO: He was extremely excited about it. (tour) It was really right, exciting; had tremendous potential. Jackson really shared his reasons for doing it.

DW: There were reasons that he chose to do it now?
KO: That he felt that it was a good time to perform again. His children were of an age that his children could appreciate it. For his fans who were loyal over the years. Wanted to use it as a platform for the people to take care of the planet.

KO: Jackson discussed plans of beyond the tour. At one point Michael asked if I’d ever been to India. He said, We’ll go there, I want you to see it.”

He asked if he’d been Japan. Talked about taking the show to those places.

Def: Objection to narrative answer.

After Michael Jackson finished touring he wanted to work with him on directing motion pictures. Jackson wanted to develop motion picture ideas.

Now asking about the various rehearsal locations.

He was at the rehearsals at Center Stage in Burbank, CA. Michael was at the location and part of those rehearsals.

Objection to leading question. Sustained.

They eventually transferred to The Forum, in June, 2009.

DW: Were these more large scale rehearsals?
KO: Yes.

Then transferred to Staples. Those were even more large scale rehearsals. He was on site every day of rehearsals.

KO: I can’t remember exact time from Forum to Staples Center. Forum there three weeks, then Staples Center.

MJ was still displaying his excitement about the rehearsals. Rehearsal times were staggered for dancers, band, Michael. Michael’s schedule was for late afternoon. It went into the evening hours. Jackson’s participation was six hours maximum, approximately four days a week.

DW: Some days were Michael Jackson performing, dancing?
KO: On some days, yes. Michael was involved in every decision creatively on the show. He was the last word creatively on everything.

Friday June 19th 2009. Incident. Describe.

KO: At rehearsals, at Staples Center, Michael Jackson arrived we had a pretty good day. Michael did not appear well at all. I observed that Michael was chilled, and soft spoken, not well.

DW: Did he indicate that he didn’t feel well? (I think there was a “no” answer here.) It was more from his physical observations?
KO: Yes. (snip) Was concerned that he wasn’t in the kind of condition to be at rehearsal.

DW: Did MJ rehearse?
KO: No. He did not want to go home at first. (snip) Asked if he would have the choreographer go through the movements and he wanted to sit in the arena.

DW: That’s what happened?
KO: For a while, yes.

DW: Then what happened?
KO: I just felt that he was, he just appeared, really lost. He was staring. I didn’t know what was wrong, but I knew that something was going on. It appeared scary. (I asked him) Do you really fell that this is the best place to be, or would you rather go home with family? (Michael Jackson replied back) “Would you be okay with that?” I replied, “Absolutely.” So he left.

He had never seen Michael Jackson in that condition before. There was a meeting at Jackson’s home on June 20th, 2009. (It was the) production manager who called the meeting. Didn’t know what the meeting was about.

DW: (When you) arrived, who was there?
KO: Jackson was there, Dr. Murray was there.

Witness identifies Dr. Murray for the record.

KO: Frank Dileo, Michael’s manager (and) Randy Phillips were there.

DW: Prior to this meeting, had you met the doctor before?
KO: Yes. Met him at the house before, was introduced to him. Met him soon after started working on the show. Sometime around April or May of 2009.

He was introduced (to Dr. Murray) at the house by Michael Jackson.

DW: What happened at this meeting?
KO: (It) quickly became clear that the meeting was about me. That the Dr. was upset that I had sent Michael home and didn’t allow him to rehearse the night before. And because I had voiced my concerns about Michael’s health that evening. Dr. Murry told me that this was not my responsibility and to not act like a doctor or a psychologist and to leave Michael’s health to him.

DW: What was his demeanor?
KO: Scolding.

DW: Towards you?
KO: Yes.

DW: Did you respond in any manner?
KO: Yeah. I tried to explain that it wasn’t about preventing Michael from going on stage, that it was a choice we made together. That I thought it was a concern about his health and that it was Michael’s choice to leave.

DW: Did Dr. Murray elaborate at all, what you role was and Dr. Murray’s role was as it pertained to Michael Jackson?
KO: That it was better for all, that I concern myself with the show, and that Michael was fine and was able to handle all this concerning the show. (??not sure I have that correct)

DW: Following this meeting, June 20th. Was there rehearsal that day?
KO: No. We had a long weekend. Rehearsals resumed Tuesday June 23rd, at Staples Center.

DW: How did that rehearsal go?
KO: Fantastic. Michael was in great form. It was like the Michael that we all knew and loved and was excited and took the reins. (He was) there to answer questions and make creative decisions and he was in a delightful mood and we had a fantastic day.

DW: Gong to June 24th, 2009. Did Michael Jackson rehearse?
KO: Yes. Similar.

DW: You said similar?
KO: He was bold, active, and participating in the entire production. Had a conversation with Michael. We had two wonderful days of rehearsals. (He was?) feeling good, confident. (One) could feel it everywhere in the entire room. (I) Asked Michael if he was happy. He said he was very happy. Said he felt very good there in the room and appreciated (everything and) to tell the crew and everyone that he really appreciated ( everything).

(For the following day, the 25th) He was very excited since he was going to rehearse an illusion.

Objection to narrative. Sustained.

He was excited about the illusion trick they were going to rehearse the next day. That concluded the rehearsal. Michael said goodnight and they finished shortly thereafter.

6/25/2009: At some point he learned that something happened. He received a telephone call while he was rehearsing. Earlier, he had spoken to Randy Phillips and was on his way to rehearsal. I asked him to, “Please let Michael know how excited I am and how much I look forward to rehearsals.”

(Randy Phillips said?) I thought you were calling for a different reason,

CROSS by Ed Chernoff

EC: Do you have a good rep(utation) as a choreographer?
KO: Yes.

EC: Reputation you have for, together 30 years? The survival or success of this show THIS IS IT, would affect or enhance your (presence? reputation?). Would that be fair to say, if it was good show?
KO: Sure.

EC: If it was a bad show, as a result if it was bad, that would also affect your reputation?
KO: I highly doubt it.

Chernoff asks about the dancers…

KO: I was was the directer and the co-creator…not the choreographer.

EC: Wouldn’t that affect your reputation?
KO: (Don’t think so.)

Asks about the meeting.

EC: Do you know who called the meeting?
KO: No, I don’t know who called the meeting.

EC: Paul Gonga(ware)?
KO: Not there.

EC: Paul Leto?
KO: His manager was there. Randy Phillips was the promoter for AEG.. was also at the meeting.

EC: You observed Michael to be sweating and cold?
KO: Not sweating. Chilled.

Crossing the witness on his testimony about that meeting and his observation of MJ on the 19th.

KO: For the most part, I think we were headed for greatness and that Michael’s vision would have been accomplished. (snip) There was a period of time when Michael Jackson didn’t show up. This created anxiety for me. (The show) couldn’t at times move forward without Michael’s involvement. Couldn’t move forward. (He) didn’t know at times, why Michael Jackson didn’t show up.

Questions about the 19th again, at rehearsal.

KO: He was cold, soft spoken.

EC: Was there anything else you observed?
KO: He seemed sort of, quite, in himself. He seemed to be in a state. Not present.

EC: Did it seem like he was in pain? Nauseous?
KO: I don’t know. I was confused by his state.

EC: You had a lot of people there, at this meeting to talk about including AEG to talk about Michael’s condition, is that right? (snip) The conversation on June 20th, was you were called had been about Michael had missed several (rehearsals)?

Questioning the witness about supposedly a meeting three weeks prior…witness doesn’t remember. Questions about how many rehearsals that Michael Jackson was missing.

KO: He missed a number of rehearsals, in a period. It was LATER in the rehearsals, that he missed.

EC: There was a lot of concern about this?

From his perspective, yes.

EC: Have you had any experience of someone on drug withdrawals?
KO: No.

EC: Do you remember yelling at Michael, telling him to get back in the show?
KO: No.

EC: Do you remember having a conversation with Karen Fay? (sp?)

The witness asked for water and we wait while the bailiff’s get him a glass.

He knew Karen Fay since she worked for the show. Was Michael Jackson’s makeup and hair artist. (She) worked with him (Michael? Kenneth?) for some time.

EC: Do you remember having a conversation with Karen Fay after the meeting.

KO: I don’t I remember having a conversation with her before.
EC: Do you remember telling Karen Fay of reading Michael the riot act? Do you remember telling Karen Fay not to placate Michael?

The witness states he doesn’t know what the word means.

EC: Did you advise Karen Fay in any respect in regard to how to treat Michael after this meeting?
KO: No.

EC: Did you discuss with Karen Fay any thing regarding how she should treat Michael?
KO: I don’t recall having any discussion with her.

EC: What time on the 19th did Michael leave the stage?
(That evening? 19th? Late evening?)
KO: It could have been 8 or 9 pm.

EC: Could it have been 12 midnight?
KO: No. He was there about 2 hours.

EC: The meeting that was called was for what time?
KO: Late morning or early afternoon. I don’t remember a time.

Questions about what time he first was notified about the meeting.

Asks him about the number of shows and that it had increased from 30 to 50 shows. Asked him if he talked to Michael about the increased number of the shows. He doesn’t remember exactly. Trying to clarify when he entered the show and if his involvement coincided with the increase for the number of shows.

EC: When did filming begin for the THIS IS IT documentary?
KO: We never filmed FOR that documentary.

KO: (Michael) He asked to film the rehearsals. The interviews were done for shows that were to be done in London. We never started filming the documentary. The documentary was never a plan. The filming of rehearsals were for our personal use. And to review rehearsals. Sometimes he had a private camera rolling. It was always through via Michael’ s request.

EC: Did you yourself do any film?
KO: No.

EC: What about Travis Kane? (sp)

Objection. Sustained.

Questions about how he heard about Michael’s death.

Paul G. called him. in the afternoon. He was on stage rehearsing. Paul G. called him to tell him that MJ had passed. It was sometime in the afternoon. Paul Gongaware.


Walgren asks about Michael Jackson missing rehearsals. (You said?) Well he missed some shows, but it was in a period of time. There was period of time…. “It was accumulated dates. It was a week.” Early June, for about a week, Michael Jackson missed a series of rehearsals. He had met Dr. Murray before that.

June 20th meeting.

DW: You specifically were asked if he had yelled at Michael. You said that you did not.
KO: Michael, said “I now that you are concerned about me and I know that.” Michael gave me a big hug, “Don’t worry. WE can do this.” If there was any voices, it wasn’t yelling, it was caring.

JP: Mr. Chernoff? Recross?

EC: One question. June 25th, very briefly. Was that a day he was scheduled to rehearse: What time was he was supposed to arrive?
KO: Afternoon.

EC: What time was he supposed to arrive ?
KO: 4:00 or 4:30 pm.

Ortega is excused.

Going to take mid-morning break. Return 10:45 am.

10:45 am
Back inside the courtroom.

A reporter has taken Steven Mikulan’s seat beside me. I don’t know if he will be coming back or not.

Ordering a witness back to Friday, 8 am at the DA’s office.

Ms. Alvarez ordered back.

10:00 pm 1/5/2010: To be continued… I’ll post some more tonight in this entry.

Next witness.

#2 Michael Amir Williams

Witness is instructed on testifying by Judge Pastor.

Carl Douglas is his put on the record as his attorney. June 2009 directing to that time. (He) worked for Mr. MJ.

DW: How long, had you been employed?
MAW: A little over two years as of June 2009. I played the role of an assistant, personal assistant, arranging day to day operations, hiring media, staff. (snip) Spoke to him (Michael) several times almost every day.

DW: Was there a security detail?
MAW: There were two men 24/7 hours a day, to open the gate and screen everyone who came in.

(His responsibilities) traveling, as needed. He would work with security to do as needed. He would be liaison between security. At that time Michael Jackson was living at 100 North Carolwood, in Holmby Hills.

Presenting a photograph up on the ELMO. (In my experience, the overhead projection screen device has sometimes been called an ELMO in California courtrooms as long as I’ve been attending a trial.) In the overflow room, we can’t see any of these exhibits, even though they are up on a screen in the courtroom. They are not visually transferring via the live camera feed. The screen just looks white. Must be the lights on the feed camera. The screen looks white on the ELMO in the courtroom. Too bad we can’t see any exhibits.

Photos close up of the front door and photos of the white security trailer.

(MAW was) involved in rehearsals at Staples Center arranging security and things of that nature. He would call Kenny Ortega or his assistant to find out what time Michael was supposed to be there. The witness identifies Dr. Murray for the record. MAW first met Dr. Murray, back in 2008

MAW: I met him, knew of him (before) then probably met him in 2008 early 2008. Met him in Las Vegas in 2008, as Michael’s personal assistant.

Before June 25th, he frequently saw Dr. Murray at the residence.

DW: (What was) his pattern, as you observed?
MAW: It was regular. He would come if we hand rehearsal, he would come. Stay the night.

DW: You became familiar with his vehicle?
MAW: Yes I was.

He was involved in ensuring that Dr. Murray was there are the residence when Michael Jackson got home from rehearsal.

Photo of Dr. Murray’s car parked in the drive of 100 North Carolwood on the ELMO. MAW describes the regular procedure to get Michael to Staples center and back home. An advance car would go ahead to make sure everything would be set up. Usually there would be fans there at Staples Center. Michael would always make sure that they would slow down so Michael could say hello to his fans. He accompanied MJ at all times back to his (dressing?) room, back to the stage. He insured the vehicles would be warmed up. When going back to the house, Michael would stop by the fans sometimes to shake hands. There would be an advance car again on the return home.

MAW describes the routine for dropping off the gifts Michael sometimes received from the fans. They (him/security) would leave any gifts that were given to Michael by fans on the (inner stairs?) steps of the home. It was normal for Dr. Murry’s vehicle to be at the house (when the got home from rehearsal. The following morning, sometimes Dr. Murry’s vehicle would (still) be at the house. The next day.

Photo on ELMO of inside the house. Directly when you would walk in the door. Gifts were placed there and someone (housekeeper, staff) would take them up. Areas in the photograph are described.

June 24, 2009. MAW was involved in the general procedure in transporting MJ to the staples center.

DW: Do you recall what time they left?
MAW: It was in evening around 6:00 pm no later than 7:00 pm.

Drove with Michael to rehearsal. He as in the front seat. Faheem Mohammad was the driver. No one else in the car. Drove straight to Staples Center.

DW: What was his general spirit or demeanor?
MAW: He had a great spirit that evening. He was punctual. Wanted to make sure he got there on time. Sometimes Michael asked for a heater, saying he was cold.

DW: (So?) he was in great spirits that night. Did you observe the rehearsal?
MAW: It was him, yes, dancing and singing. I thought it was extraordinary, personally. I thought personally, it was great.

DW: How long did rehearsal last?
MAW: It was close to midnight, past midnight when we finished.

DW: Did you follow the same procedure to go home as before? Same vehicle same driver?

Michael was in the back seat. (They) drove straight back to Carolwood residence. They had security outside the gate, since there were fans there. Maybe a few gifts, then drove onto the property.

DW: When you arrive, was Dr. Murray’s car there?
MAW: Yes it was.

After they arrived, he did not see Dr. Murray. Same procedure, took everything (items from car; fan gifts) to the stairs. It was late, so everyone just went their own way and went home. They (Faheem, MAW) debriefed at security station. Went over the ride, what was wrong. Just security stuff, then he left. Returned to his residence. He was back on duty next day.

June 25th. At some time prior to returning to work he received a phone call from Dr. Murray. He got a call at 12 :13 pm. There was voice mail message. He listened to the message. It was Dr. Murray’s voice. It was a frantic voice. “It was, call me right away, hurry call me right away!” His phone was an iPhone. He made a video of retrieving the voice mail. Took a video retrieving it.

Photo of an iPhone, several photos up on the ELMO. MAW identifies photo of his phone, retrieving his message. After he retrieved voice mail he described as frantic, then he immediately called (Dr Murray) back. He called Dr. Murray directly. He spoke to him at that time. Dr. Murray asked “Where are you?” I’m home, he replied. “You need to get here right away.
“Michael had a bad reaction. Had a bad reaction. Get here right away.”

DW: Did he ask you to call 911?
MAW: No.

After he got off the phone with Dr. Murray he called Faheem. Faheem said he left the property he was at the bank. Then called someone else on the security detail. He called Roberto. First asked how are you. (?? Walter??) at front door. He walked inside the property, sound of somethings going on, then the phone (conversation with ?) suddenly cuts off.

Now at this point, while conversing with Alberto, but this while?? time, I was trying to call back and forth, trying to find out what was going on from downtown Los Angeles. (Where he lived.) He drove strait to Carolwood. There were people outside; the ambulance was there. He proceeded straight in to the property.

DW: Did you eve go upstairs?
MAW: No sir.

DW: Were people allowed to go upstairs?
MAW: No. (snip) No staff was allowed in his room. Maybe housekeepers to clean, but as far as security, people, no they weren’t allowed upstairs.

He immediately went to Michael’s children. The paramedics were upstairs. Got the children Prince, Paris and Blanket and put them in a vehicle; in the Escalade.

MAW: I remember them (paramedics) bring the back board, while he was tending to the three children with their nanny Rosalie. (sp?)

He remembers seeing Dr. Murray, paramedics. Just a horrible, crazy experience, a lot going on.

DW: When did you see with your own own eyes, when they came out with the back board? (snip) So Michael’s on the gurney by paramedics….Dr. Murray was with them or near by?
MAW: He was there. There was a lot of emotion going on.

He got in the (car with) the children and followed the ambulance.

DW: Did you observe Dr. Murry? Did you notice anything?
MAW: He was sweating. I got in the car with the children…and followed the ambulance.

Demeanor of children. They didn’t know what was going on. So it wasn’t too bad.

DW: What was the scene at UCLA.
MAW: Chaos. People with cameras, we were trying to do what we could to cover things up. Trying to do what we could with the children, to cover their faces up.

At UCLA: There, children where inside. Rosalie (sp?), and security detail in front of the room. They went back to where Michael body was and they were working on him. Went to the bathroom, wash his face because he was crying. They were working on him behind a curtain, it wasn’t even a room.

MAW: I remember after awhile, Dr. Murray walking out, doctors walking out, just said he was dead.

DW: Afterwords, you were told Michael Jackson was pronounced dead? Were you there when the children were told?
MAW: They wanted in there (where the children were) with Dr. Murray and Frank Leto. Frank blurted out (that Michael was dead). Prince was saying make sure you tell them Daddy’s allergic to this, to that. (Frank said?) Your daddy had a heard attack and died. Dr. Murry said, “Oh, no don’t tell them that; We don’t know.”

DW: Did Dr. Murry approach you that you found odd; make a request?
MAW: It was in the hallway. We were both crying. (him & Faheem?) The whole atmosphere was horrible.

DW: Dr. Murray approached you? What did he say?
MAW: He was all over Michael, small talk. He says, he asked question. “Mr. Jackson had some cream that he didn’t want the world to know about. Would you or one of the guys (take me to) go back to the house, to go back to the house to get it.” At first he just asked. And that was the last thing. It was just and odd question that he wanted to go back to the house. And that was one thing that I just couldn’t do. So I said, let me check with one of the guys.

He went and spoke to Faheem about Dr. Murray’s request. And Faheem said we can’t go back . Just said that, to avoid confrontation. It wasn’t true. So they were going to tell Dr. Murry, the police have our car keys. Told Faheem what he was going to say to Dr. Murray and Faheem said “Whatever.”

Then Dr. Murray reapproached later, about getting food. Told him that we couldn’t take him anywhere. He said he hadn’t eaten and he wanted to go get some food. At the time Dr. Murray asked to get some food. I don’t recall the time, but I do recall that family was there, family had arrived.

The witness is asked about the time again I believe and he can’t remember exactly.

MAW: Just told him that we can’t do anything about that.

DW: Did you then contact security at the residence?
MAW: (Told them to) make sure you lock the house down. Don’t let anyone in don’t let anyone out.

DW: Following these requests by Dr. Murray. Did you see him again that day?
MAW: No.

DW: Did he ever contact you and say goodbye?
MAW: (No.) Detectives came and asked his where abouts. I just gave them Dr. Murray’s pone numbers.

CROSS by Ed Churnoff.

Michael Amir Williams is his full name. Birth name.

EC: You said that, one of the jobs was to coordinate security?
MAW: Yes sir.

EC: You were instrumental in the hiring of security?
MAW: Yes sir.

The security that was in place was by a company called SECURITY MEASURES. Based in LA.

EC: Who were the people working for SECURITY MEASURES (SM) in June?

Alberto Alvarez. Faheem Mohamed. They wern’t hired by Security Measures. Patrick Mohamed: SM. Issiam (sp?) Mohamed: SM. Larry Tolbert. ?

MAW: I dont’ know if Larry Tolbert is Larry Mohamed.

The actual owner (of Security Measures) is from the Nation of Islam.

MAW: I knew him (owner) and I tried to hand pick some of the guys.
EC: He’s connected with the Nation of Islam? Patrick Mohamed? Nation of Islam?
MAW: Yes sir.

EC: Alberto Alvarez? Nation of Islam? Patrick Issaic? Nation of Islam?
MAW: The nanny, I knew her personally. My mom is a good friend of hers.

EC: Is she Nation of Islam? Is there anyone there who were (?)
MAW: The (?) housekeeper’s, or about three or four security were not Nation of Islam.

A question is asked about the chef.

EC: Who was working the morning of June 25th?
MAW: There were three shifts. There were two men on the property 24/7. Larry and Phillip. Lewis Williams. He is related to Lewis. His brother.

He knew Lewis was working that day.

EC: You said that the first person you called was Faheem Mohamed? You said the reason you said that because he was always hanging around, he was always over there.
MAW: He worked the day shift. So I know that he was there.

EC: You mentioned that he worked the night before. So when their shift ended. tha ws 1:00 am in the morning So then you expected them to be back on shift at 9, 10, 11? Would it be fair to say that Faheem Mohamed is at the residence more than any other security guards?
MAW: Well, between him and (?) they worked the day shift.

EC: When you got the phone call from Dr. Murray, the first thing you did was call Faheem Then the next thing you did was call Larry? ???
MAW: (Yes.)

EC: Did you review you cell phone records before you testified today? Did you look at your cell phone records?
MAW: No sir.

EC: Do you remember making another phone call before Faheem?
MAW: No I don’t. (snip) My attorney told me about (my) phone records …

EC: He told you that prior to making your 3rd statement to police? You made a statement to police officers at the hospitals?

He spoke to officers back at the residence.

MAW: If it was, it was only for a few minutes.

EC: You then made a third statement to police on August 31st 2009? Him and his lawyer dind’t go through his phone record prior to today?
MAW: We never went through the record who I called that day. I’m being honest with you.

JP: I hope you re being honest all the time.

Courtroom laughter. He’s only recalling for memory.

EC: Do you remember making a phone call prior or after to Roberto Alvarez? (?)

When you spoke to police on August 31st, you had a specific time. Do you remember that today? (The answer wasn’t what was expected.)

Would you say that your phone records would reflect better than your memory?
MAW: Yes sir.

EC: When you called Roberto Alvarez, are you sure that you called him and that he didn’t call you?
MAW: I think I remember calling him. and I remember asking where he was.

12:30 am 1/6th. To be continued…. I will continue on these notes when I get home tomorrow.

Is it possible that you called him and left and message and he called you back?

How long was your conversation with Alvarez?
It could have been a minute, 2 minutes. (snip?) I remember him talking about going up to the property, asking to be let in and to go upstairs.

More questions about how long the phone call lasted.

Do you remember getting a phone call from Faheem Mohamed? (Yes.)
I remember me calling him too.

I remember he had instructions to go to the house and asking what’s going on.

I don’t recall if he asked to go upstairs.

You said that you went upstairs on occasion?
I was asked from him (Jackson), to go up to watch a movie. I wasn’t allowed to just go upstairs.

Witness can’t remember the exact day he was asked to go upstairs. sometimes to help set up a Skype meetings; set up the computer. Witness can’t remember if it was a week or 2 weeks before.

As far as your prints found on IV bags or (other medical materials)?
No, that would be (impossible?)

Did the police ever fingerprint you?
No sir.

People’s exhibit #1.

Show me once again where this security trailer is?
The staff normally went through the kitchen

They went through the kitchen or the front door, depending on what they were doing.

The kitchen door was locked sometimes, so it was easier to go to the front door. We didn’t have to bang on the kitchen door. I remember telling him to go inside.

During the day, the front door is unlocked?

The front door would be left unlocked??

Yes sir. Unless Michael Jackson told them to lock it.

Witness is being approached with a document.

Phone records.

Asking him about if those are his phone records.

His cell phone records.

Back then, he had a 310 number that Michael Jackson would call him directly on. A phone exclusively for Jackson to reach him with.

After Michael Jackson passed, he never used that phone.

He’s still using his same iPhone, with ATT.

Defense underlining numbers and asking him specific numbers and who they belong to.

Walgren approaches to see which number is being outlined.

Did you speak to the prosecution prior to testifying today?

Did to speak to Mr. Walgren or Ms. Brazil? (Yes.)

And was your attorney present? Yes.

When did you hire a lawyer?
Objection! Relevance. Sustained.

I think we should be allowed to find out why.
Objection. Sustained.

Did you contact police after June 25th, telling you(?) to make another statement?
I know I was contacted.

Was it the day after, 2 days after?
No it was sometime after that.

Then your next statement would be August 41st?

Where did the statement take place? Mr. Douglas’s office?

You made a statement in Mr. Douglas office?
Where was Alvarez when you made a statement?
Did you drive with him to Mr. Douglas’s office?

Defense trying to determine who all was with him going to Carl Douglas’s office to make a statement.

Made more than one trip to Mr. Douglas office?
Yes, when we were looking for an attorney…

You say we?
Myself Alberto, Alvarez….

Did you have a conversation with Mr. Douglas at the same time as Alvarez and Faheem?
(I “think” there is an objection here and it’s sustained.)

Was Mr. Douglas an attorney you used prior?
Objection. Sustained.

Other than the conversation you had with police that….
Objection. Sustained.

1 pm
I’m back in side the courtroom.

Now there is a media sign in sheet for the overflow room.

Pat Kelly tells the room, “If the problem of the exhibits can be solved, they will solve it. But at this point there is no solution.” She also adds that, “The time is very important. If we have extra spaces in the courtroom, they will come and get those who are already on the waiting list.”

There’s a bit of chatter in the overflow room but I’m not able to get most of it.

1:10 pm
We’re still waiting for a live feed into the Pastor’s courtroom.

There’s a big placard on the little gate into the well of Ito’s courtroom. It says, “Communication with custodies is forbidden by law 4570 PC.” The same thing right below it in Spanish. The same sign as in Fidler’s courtroom is up on the wall right near the bailiff’s clear plastic enclosure: “Max occupancy 80.” There are some pictures on the wall, one behind and to the left of the bailiff’s area, and two over the back credenza area of the clerk’s desk. I can’t see from here what the pictures are. I note the big sign over behind the witness box, that I remember from back in 2005 or 2006… of almost being in the jury box in Judge Ito’s courtroom for a stabbing death. It’s a list of things the jurors must state about themselves.

Looks like the feed was turned on late. We’ve missed testimony. I’m like, totally lost now where we are. Williams is still on the stand.

New court reporter up.

The defense is still cross examining about when the witness carpooled with other Jackson security workers to Carl Douglas’s office.

Normally Williams would come in (to work) at 10 am. That day, he was going to come in before rehearsal, around 4 pm. The defense is going over the exact details as to who called who notifying about Michael Jackson’s state. Defense crossing on who specifically left or came and went at the house. Witness is describing events after Jackson’s death at the house, with detectives at the house. It was a hectic time. He had to go to the bathroom and a detective walked him to the bathroom. MAW found Dr. Murry’s question about the cream, strange, odd, and that Dr. Murray wanted a ride back to the house.

Witness doesn’t know if Jackson used a cream or not. Defense asks him about the rumors about Jackson using a cream on his skin. He told the detectives about the phone call, other things

You did not tell them though, about the statements about Dr. Murray.?
No I did not.

Goes over his history of work with Michael Jackson.

You not only had a professional but a persona relationship with (him)?

He confided in you?

You knew (that) Jackson had a trouble with Insomnia?
No. I was never told that.

I did notice that, sometimes that he had problems with sleep.

Difficulty with sleep?

Questions about other places he went with Jackson.
Some of the trips were to doctor’s office.

You had mentioned that the last few months were kind of crazy. Do you remember taking Jackson to doctors appointments?

You remember Dr. Klein?
I knew of him I never met him.

Dr. trips Michael Jackson would take during the day?

He never saw Dr. Murry on the trips to the doctor’s office, or in the vehicles ….?
I think he just said he(?) saw Dr. Murray in the parking lot. (of the Dr’s offices)

Denies ever picking up prescriptions for Michael Jackson in alias names. He does remember picking up a prescription from Dr. Klein’s office, but he doesn’t remember who it was for.

Asks if the pharmacy he picked up prescriptions from, was that the Mickey Fine Pharmacy?
He doesn’t remember.

Asks about if he helped in the move out of Michael Jackson’s Las Vegas residence.
Objection! Sustained!

Asks if he was with Michael Jackson when he moved out of the Virginia residence.
Objection! Sustained!

My friend Steven doesn’t come back to the media overflow room for the afternoon session. I learn later he got inside the courtroom. Steven must have connections, lol!

Did you know security personnel that took over at the Jackson residence?
Objection! Sustained!

Who is Michael Laqurue (sp?)?
He was Mr. Jackson’s security for a brief time in 2007. Before that he was…

Was he at the hospital?
I did see him outside.

Was he at the Carolwood residence?
Objection! Sustained!

After police left the Carolwood residence, did you leave?
I waited for the family to get there.

Was the house sealed? (No?)

Police made no limitations as to what could be done at the house? (snip) The y just said,
“You can go in?”
I’m not sure what the family did. (snip) When they arrived, I left.

The family walked inside the house? Any police officer stay at that time?
I left.

Were any there when you left? (?)

You believe there was one there ?
I really don’t know.

The only other statement Dr. Murray made to you except about the cream, was that he was hungry and wanted to get something to eat? Is that correct?


You may have picked up a prescription for Michael Jackson, and if that prescription bottle was at the house, would your prints be on the bottle?
No not at all. The prescription was in a bag.

Asks about his prints on medicine bottles or things.

I didn’t even know about it much less touch it or go upstairs. (snip) It was a frantic scene, lots of people, detectives were there.

Subsequently, when you got a sit down with detectives, you gave a more detailed statement as possible.

Did you try to be as truthful as possible?
Yes. Truthful and accurate as possible.

What was going on in your mind as to loading up the Escalades and driving off at that time?
We told police officer that we’re going to get the Escalades and drive. People would follow us.

He was just trying to be a decoy, so that the family could go to the house.

After he started driving, a few minutes, he got a phone call.

Goes over the Defense A, same phone records.

Has him identify the phone call from Dr. Murray; the phone call from Faheed Mohamed and the phone call before he called Alvarez. Witness identified the other person he called.

Derek something. Cleveland?


You said it could not be (your) fingerprints because you didn’t know? You didn’t know about the vials and IV. so you couldn’t have touched them? Defense now asks him if he had ever seen vials in Mr. Jackson’s house before.

In Las Vegas?

Now asking about his phone call to Derek Cleveland.

Defense is crossing him on the specific phone calls on the record.

You first remember (about) calling Derek, today, at lunch?

Objection. Sustained.

You first remember Derek today, when it was brought to your attention at lunch?
Objection. Vague. Sustained.

Defense reads back his testimony.

All this stuff about the phone records is boring.

Objection. Sustained.

JP: Did anyone go over your (testimony?) with you at lunch?
The DA did show me the phone records at lunch.


Mr. Williams, I showed you the phone records and you said I recognised the phone number as Derek Cleveland?

#3 Faheem Mohamed

Another black man.

Direct examination.

Employed with Michael Jackson Head of his security (for) 10 months.

Maintain overall security. Just make sure the house , the children were secured.

Oversaw his security detail and interacted with Michael Amir Williams as a liaison with Michael Jackson.

Do you know Dr. Murray? Witness identifies the defendant.

When did you first meet him (defendant)?
Met him in March, 2009.

You recall where you first met?
(At residence)

Testifies he would generally see Dr. Murray t night.

Attorney Carl Douglas represents Mr. Mohamed.

Would he stay over at night at the residence?
Initially it wasn’t as regular as the last month or so.

How frequently?
Last couple weeks it was pretty much every night.

Knew Dr. Murray’s vehicle and would see it at the residence.

He was involved in the security arrangements to get Michael Jackson to the Staples Center.

(When did you leave the evening of June 24th?)
Evening, around 7 pm.

Who drove?
I did.

(Who sat where?)
Amir was in the front seat with him and Michael Jackson was in the back.

What happened?
There was an advance team that arrived ahead (of their vehicle).

Did our regular routine. There was a golf cart inside the Staples Center and they used the golf cart (to get to the stage for rehearsals).

He observed the rehearsals.

The general mood was positive. He was as energetic as I’ve ever seen him. (Jackson)

At conclusion, was it the same driving arrangement back?
Yes. (snip) Amir was with them and Michael Jackson was in the back seat.

When you arrived at the residence 1 am, was Dr. Murray’s vehicle parked there at the residence? Yes.

I notice that there are three clocks in Ito’s courtroom. One behind the judge, one behind the gallery and one over the jury box. Unusual.

After they came back to the house (what did you do)?
Went to the security trailer to debrief.

(The next day, when did you arrive at the Carolwood residence?)
Arrived at Carolwood close to noon.

At some time around noon, left residence to go to the bank. While he was out, he got a phone call from Michael Amir Williams that something was wrong with Michael, that Michael Amir had received a phone call from Dr Murray.

When he got to the residence, were you allowed back onto the property?

He got on the property and called Michael Amir…and made sure that he was correct about going upstairs.

What was the policy?
No one was allowed upstairs. Made sure it was okay to proceed upstairs.

Where did you go?
At top of stairs turned left.

New photos are put up on the ELMO People’s next in evidence #9 I think. Photos of up at the top of the stairs I believe. Next exhibit #10 top of stairs. Show’s the room that Faheem entered. More photos are entered into evidence. I’m having trouble staying awake. It happens every time I’m in a courtroom. I think it’s the mass of fluorescent lights that does it to me.

When you first walked in, (who did you see)?
I saw Roberto Alvarez.

Where was he?
He was on the side of the bed, pacing back and fourth. He was in stress. You could see that something bad was going on.

Witness indicates with the laser pointer where he first saw Roberto Alvarez.

He’s near the entrance off to the foyer and he’s pacing?

I also observed… (snip) I first spoke to Alberto and he says it’s not looking good. I asked him if 911 had been called. He said, “Yes.”

I proceeded to go check for myself. (Not sure what question was.)

I first remember seeing Michael Jackson’s feet, were in a particular location.

That’s when I seen Dr. Murray on his knees attempting compressions with (one hand?). (snip) Mr. Jackson with his eyes and his mouth open and he’s laying there.

Questions about whether Jackson was dead or not. Objection. Sustained.

As a layperson did he appear to be alive?
No sir.

What was Dr, Murray doing?
I remember him being in a panic state. I remember him asking if anyone knew CPR.

Was Dr. Murray on his knees?
He was on his knees.

I didn’t see Dr. Murray first because he was lower and the bed was higher.

Dr. Murry was closer to the…? h
He was on the far side of the bad between that area (of?) the nightstand and the bed.

New photo, where he saw Dr. Murray.

Was anyone else in the room other than yourself?

At some point did you see Michael’s children?
They were…. Prince was right near the doorway, he was about 2 steps inside. He didn’t have a visible on his father. She (Paris) was father out, in the landing area on her knees crying.

When you saw Dr. Murray on his knees did you notice if he was perspiring?
No sir.

Do you recall telling the police that he was sweating?
I can’t get a picture in my mind right now but I do recall…

That’s when Dr. Murray asked if anyone knew CPR?
I looked at Roberto, kind of shocked.

What did Alberto do after the shocked look?
Alberto attempted to assist Dr. Murry to give CPR.

Had already asked if 911 had been called and they had been called. He then left at some point to get the nanny to get the children away from all of what was going on. Left the room, went downstairs with the children and came back up. He did that about 4 or five times.

At some time the paramedics arrived at the scene. Briefed them as to what was going on.

Prior to that time had you ever seen Mr J hooked up to any equipment?
He did see and IV stand.

Doesn’t ‘recall where the IV stand was when he first went into the room.

Question about (Dr. Murray?)
Stayed in the room.

Sitting there, just watching what was going on.

(after paramedics arrived)

At some point paramedics transported him out of the room?

Witness left the room, to deal with paparazzi because to block them from shooting images of Michael Jackson. Saw the paramedics exiting the home. The children were in a corridor of the house. Followed the paramedics to UCLA. Blocked Michael Jackson’s body from paparazzi and then covered the children wit their jackets.

Then made preparations for Michael Jackson’s family to arrive.

At some point became did you become aware that Michael Jackson was pronounced dead?

Do you remember Michael Amir approaching with a request from Dr. Murray?
Objection! Sustained.

In response to what Michael Amir said, in regards, what did you say about the car keys?
The police took the car keys so no one could go back to the house.

Sometime after that, didn’t Dr. Murry approach you directly.

What did he say?
Dr. Murry said that he was hungry and that he wanted to go get something to eat.

Do you recall how much time had elapsed after Michael Jackson was pronounced dead, when did Dr. Murray ask?
It was about 30 or 45 minutes. I told him there was a cafe in the hospital.

At some point did he tell you that he had to leave?
He said that he was tired, and that he needed to leave.

When was that?
About 30 minutes after that.

He saw Dr. Murry leave through some doors at UCLA.

Now about his interview with police?
Interview was at Mr. Jackson’s house.

Told police everything he knew?
No. It was quick interview. It was 10 minutes, maybe less.

On Aug 31st, you sat down with Detective Smith and Meyers? Gave a truthful and accurate statement?

Now asking about his phone number he was using at that time.

CROSS by Chernoff.

How is it that it came to be that you made a statement to the police? How did that happen.
The police contacted him.

The detectives contacted Amir Williams. (Q? A?)

Do you know if they contacted you before your lawyer taked to them?

Asks how it is that he had a lawyer.
Objection. Sustained.

His lawyer was present on subsequent inerviews with police.

You said that 20-30 minutes at the hospital first talked to you.? Withdrawal question.

Did he ever speak to you at the hosptial before that?
Dr. Murray was in the room (with Jackson. (?)

Do you know what time, Drm Murray told you that he wanted to get something to eat?

Could it have been 4:30? Could it have been earlier, later?

When was he pronounced dead?
I dont know the exact time.

Defense is now crossing him on if he walked out of the hospital.

Did you see him talkng to Jermaine Jackson to help prepare a statemnt to the press?

Not sure as to what time Dr. Murray left the hospital.

Have you looked at any documents today to refresh your recolection?

Witness looked at statements he made to police.

What time did Michael Amir call you 12:05 pm?

Defense now crossing him on the phone call…..and his events after he go the call from Michael Amir.

Mini disaster. My trackball mouse fell off my lap and the trackball went flying (Totally embarrassing moment! Another reporter retreives it and I get it back.). My mouse died when it hit the floor. I couldn’t get it to work. I miss a bunch of cross of this witness. Sorry!

Back inside the overflow room, cross continues.

Linda Deutsch from the Associated Press came into the overflow room to let her colleague into the courtroom.

Do you know how long he was preforming CPR?

When Alberto went to help Dr. Murray, did Alberto Alvarez take over doing the CPR for Dr. Murray?

Was there more than one paramedic performing CPR?
What I saw, they were giving him shots. They were giving him the machine, the electric shock.

You’re sure they were giving him electric shock?

You don’t remember the paramedics using mouth to mouth?

Did you see anybody do that?

Did you see anyone compress down on Michael Jackson’s chest?
No sir, not that I recall.

But you remember that device being brought up?
I assumed it was that machine.

I saw a machine being brought up.

You only knew Michael Jackson for 5 months?

Did you ever call Dr. Murray for Michael Jackson’s benefit?

Did you ever call any doctor for Michael Jackson’s benefit?
Objection! Relevance! Sustained.

Do you remember at any time, being upstairs on the 21st?
Objection. Sustained.

He’s talking about the 21st.

Lets clear up the times that you went up and down the stairs.

1st time to take the children to the nanny. How long did that take?
Took a couple minutes.

Then went down to get the cars lined up to take Michael Jackson to the hospital.
Told another security detail to do it.

All of this would have happened before the paramedics arrived?

Then went up and down 2 0r 3 times?
One time was to tell security to put the children in the car.

Did you ever see Alberto Alvarez bring the children down stairs?
I dont’ recall.

Did anybody other than you do that with the children?
Possibly because I didn’t do that myself.

Where were you when you realize you were going back to Carolwood?
Doesn’t remember when or who told him to go back to the house.

Once left Carolwood, Larry and Lewis were instructed to keep the property secured.

Questions about his qualifications to be head of security. Witness testifies when he was first hired, He originally was hired as a driver.

Now asking about what he does now.
Objection! Overrulled.

And Alberto Alverez, how often do you see him?
I see him (frequently?)

Do you remember when the paramedics arrived?

Question after question about what he remembers about the sequence of events. Now asks him about his phone number and the area code. It’s registered out of Phoenix.

Did you ever tell police that your name was Larry?

Do you know a Larry Mohamed?
I know two Larry’s. The guard with the last name, at the gate. The only other Larry Mohamed is a relative.

If you remember, did you touch anything, in Michael Jackson’s room when you went upstairs?

Not a thing?
Not that I recall.

And you recall no IV bags or syringes? Did you see any of that?
No sir.

Did you see any bags that were on the chair or the floor?

Have you ever, did the police ever requested your fingerprints?
Objection! Sustained.

JP: Mr. Walgren, redirect?

No redirect.

Judge asks counsel to approach.

JP: This court is currently involved in a jury trial and he needs to address something. They are going to recess this matter at this time.

Rather than start with next witness, they will recess for the day. 9:30 a.m. to start tomorrow.


Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 2 Part I

First Break
Yes, I am her for day two. I’m in the hallway on first break. I only have a second. Alberto Alvarez is on the stand, describing the scene inside Michael Jackson’s bedroom right before and after the paramedics arrived. It’s very amazing testimony. The rest of my notes from yesterday will be going up later tonight. I will try to do some at lunch, but lunch is only and hour and sometimes it takes over 10 minutes just to get down to the cafeteria. The elevator bays are packed!

I arrived late and got to see the Jackson family be escorted into an elevator that the deputies reserved for them. I recognized La Toya, but not any of Michael’s brothers. I’m sure there were a few. I’ll try to post more at lunch, approve comments and reply to my emails. Thank you all for reading!

12:18 pm
Lunch. I’m trying to wolf down my lunch and answer E-mails at the same time. Just a few moments ago, Harriet Ryan of the LA Times confirmed to me that Janet Jackson did attend the morning session. Alberto Alvarez’s testimony is concluded. Alvarez testified that after he helped Dr. Murray move Michael Jackson off the bed and onto the floor he assisted in CPR on Jackson. Alvarez testified that Dr. Murray said to him, “This is the first time I’ve given mouth to mouth but I have to do it because he’s my friend.”

1:09 pm
Back on the 9th floor, waiting for the overflow room to open up. As I was coming down the hallway, I got my first up close look of Dr. Murray as he was being escorted up the back elevators by deputies. These are the elevators they use to move prisoners. He’s very tall.

In the hallway. The chef, Kia Chase testified. The only noteworthy thing she testified to was that Dr. Murray did not ask her to call 911 when around 12:05 pm, he came down the stairwell, called for her to “Get security, get Prince.” She testified that normally, Dr. Murray would come downstairs to the kitchen to get the juice she would prepare for Michael around 10 am. Dr. Murray did not come down at all to get the juice that morning. She also noted that the dinner she prepared the night before and left in the refrigerator for when they returned from rehearsals at the Staple Center, was untouched when she arrived around 8:30 am that day.

The first paramedic, Richard Senneff, who entered the house is now on the stand under direct examination.


Sunday, January 9, 2011

Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 2 Part I-b

Entry edited by Sprocket on 1/14/2011 @ noon.

The attorney’s are saying something about a problem with defendant coming into the building.

I “think” but I’m not positive that it had something to do with the sheriff’s allowing his car to drive into the underground parking and avoid the mainstream media’s cameras at the front of the building. I don’t think the family is coming into the courthouse this way. I do know the family is escorted by quite a few sheriff’s, and they hold elevators for them to take separate from the general public.

JP: We can discuss that later.

#4 Alberto Alvarez

Direct examination by DDA David Walgren

This is the second person that was in Jackson’s bedroom; part of Jackson’s security detail. News media has described him as a bodyguard.

The witness’s attorney Mr. Carl Douglas present. (Carl Douglas of OJ fame.)

The prosecution asks that the court direct a man sitting (I’m guessing in the first row gallery?) in the courtroom with other defense staff to identify himself. He does. “Michael ?? with the defense.” Darn. I miss his last name.

Alberto Alvarez. Judge Pastor gives his standard instruction. The camera is situated where we can’t see the witness. I have no idea what he looks like.

His job was to perform “advances.” Security (for the traveling route ahead). He would (be part of a detail) to go to make sure everything was ready before his (Jackson’s) arrival (anywhere? at the rehearsal venue?). Sometimes he would check traffic reports so that they avoided those types of security shut downs. Employed by Jackson on and off since 2004-2005 . (His title was) Director of Logistics. (Oh lord. A title for a person who checks a route.)

(It) was at Carolwood in that (he worked) employment?
That’s correct.

During the time while working at Carolwood address, did you at any time meet Dr Murray? Witness identifies the defendant.

When did you first met Dr. Murray?
Sometime after Jan 2009. Don’t recall exactly. Met him at the property 100 N. Carolwood.

In the months April, May, June, did you see him there with (any) regularity?
Yes sir. Maybe five to six times a week.

When would he Dr. Murray typically arrive at the residence?
Typically, in the afternoons.

To you knowledge would he stay overnight?
Yes sir.

Going to the events of 24th & 25th of June, 2009. Did M have rehearsal at Staples Center?

Did you work as part of the advance team?
That’s correct.

What time (did you) leave Carolwood?
Approximately about 6 pm.

Who if anybody accompanied (you)?
Issiac (Mon???)

And what did you do?
What we usually did was walk through the entire venue, quick scan, make sure there wasn’t any one there was wasn’t supposed (to be). Get Staples security and that everything was secure and that his dressing room was secure.

(You) did the same advance work on the 24th?
Yes sir. (snip) Was there to greet him and take him through. I took him from the Escalade caravan through the complex.

Question missed.
What I remember is (that) he was happy in a very cheerful mood. That day I was assigned to the back stage. There was a ramp at the back stage (where the dancers came through). (He was not out in the arena where Jackson was rehearsing.)

This ramp is that where you were located?

(So) he didn’t have much interaction with Michael throughout the rehearsals. His only interaction was through the “ball park.” (On the return trip home.) He then took Michael with the golf cart to the Escalades.

Still appeared to be in good spirits?
Yes sir. Once we got him back into his vehicle. Then his job was to select the route to drive back to Carolwood.

Arrived before Mr. Jackson?
Yes sir.

Did you see a vehicle that you recognized as Dr. Murry’s?

What time did you arrive?
It was after midnight sir.

Exhibit People’s #4, Dr. Murray’s vehicle. He did not see Dr. Murray. Just his vehicle. (He) then parked the vehicle in the driveway and make sure the (front) door was open.

(Was he) part of the crew to bring things into the house?
Yes sir.

He then checked into the security office beside the trailer.

About 12:17 p.m. did you receive a phone call?
Yes, from Michael Amir.

On that day, do you recall what the phone number was?
(Witness reads number.)

12:17 received from Michael Amir Williams?
That’s correct.

(Walgren asks if he answered the call.)
No. I was sitting at my desk, and my phone was in my pocket. I reached into the pocked but by the time I pulled it out it had gone to voice mail. So I dialed back twice and he was able to answer. He proceeded to ask me (if I was) at the property. I said, “Yes.” He said, “Get up (to the house) don’t be so, (rough?) Go to the front.” He said, “Walk don’t run.”

Exhibit of the front of the house. DDA Walgren has him identify the security trailer and photo of the front door. Has him show on the exhibits the path he took from the trailer to the front door.

While you were walking path were you on the phone with Michael Williams?
Yes I am.

Are you continuing to converse with him?

Another question.
Then he said, “Okay never mind jog to the front of the house.”

Did you go to the front door and attempt to open the door?
Yes sir.

Were you able to gain access?
Not immediately. The door was locked.

Photo of the front door.

Were you looking through the front door as you approached?

When you first looked through (who did you see)?
I saw the nanny.

Rosalie (Sp?) Mohamed? (Sp?)
(Yes?) And Paris next to her. (snip) I saw Kai Chase. And I looked toward the top and I noticed Dr. Conrad (there?).

Another photo exhibit. Front doors are glass doors. Witness describes the entrance way and entry areas in the house.

Paris was standing right next to Rose. Rosalyn and Paris were standing (here) in People’s Exhibit six. Points to general area. They were to the left of the photo near the stair.

And that’s where Sister Rose, Kai Chase, the chef (were)?

She’s located further back from Paris and Rosalie as we look at the photo?

Also saw Dr M?
Yes sir.

He was in this area? Walgren points at top of (photo) showing the wood railing of the landing area.

What was he doing at that time?
When I saw him he was leaning over, looking downward. (The witness demonstrates palms on a rail looking downstairs). I made eye contact with Rosalyn. She proceeded to the door and unlocked the door.

Still on the phone?
(Yes.) I told Michael Amir that I was in the house.

Okay now, runs up the stairs. (? Q or A)

What did you do?
I got to the stairs, skipped steps to get to the top as fast as possible.

Arrived at top of stairway?
Yes sir.

At that point (?)?
When I got to top of the stairs, Dr. Murry was coming from hallway and he was walking in towards (???)

Witness goes over a diagram as to where people were. Goes over where Dr. Murray was.

What direction was he walking?
Walking in towards the room this way.

Did you walk into the room at that time?
I walked in as soon as (?).

Who enters foyer area first?
Dr. Murray.

As you were walking to that area, did you see at any times Michael’s son Prince?
As I was coming up the stairs I saw Michael’s son Prince coming from the opposite direction. (He had reached the top of the stairs at this point.)

Prince was walking in the opposite direction of you?

This sucks that we can’t see the exhibits on the screen in 107! Sprocket

When you first saw Dr. Murray did he say anything to you?
He said “Alberto, come quick.”

He was still on the phone with Michael Amir and then at that point hung up with Michael Amir.

Does the Exhibit in front of you, does that show the entry way in the foyer?
Witness shows on the exhibit where he was. As I entered the foyer, looked over to my right side, and walked toward the right side, 2nd floor bedroom (#2 on exhibit).

Now when you first walked in what did you see Dr. Murray do?
He was on the right side of the bed and he was giving chest impressions to Michael. He was already giving him chest compressions.

As he looked in he (Dr. Murray) was on the right side of the bed. (Q? A?)

As you’re standing on the foyer looking into this bedroom, Dr. Murray was on the far side of the bed? Michael was on this (side) laying with his feet facing this (way)?

Laying on the bed with his feed toward the direction in the area located (a) balcony? (His) head was customarily at the head of the bed?
Yes sir.

What observations did you make about Mr. Jackson?
He was flat on his back with his hands to the side of him in this manner (witness demonstrates) and his face was slightly to the left and his eyes were open and his mouth was open.

His head to the left, his head was slightly turned toward they foyer area?
That’s correct.

What did you see Dr. Murray (do)?
He was standing over him. He was giving him chest compressions with one hand.

Witness is demonstrating with one hand up and down.

While this was going on M was on the bed?
Yes sir.

And while this was going on Paris and Prince entered the room?
As I observed Alberto (said?), “We need to get him to an hospital and get him to and ambulance!” Paris screamed, “Daddy!” And she started crying. Dr. Murray then said, “Get them out!! Don’t let them see their father like this!” (It’s interesting, the tone of voice the witness uses for each person when he’s describing what they said.) I turned to children (and said something like) “Don’t worry children we’ll take care of it.” And then got (them to go) outside (the bedroom). I secured them outside and then I shut the door. (snip)

(I) then returned to the room where Michael Jackson was on the bed I asked what happened. Dr. Murray said, “He had a reaction! He had a reaction!” (The witness quotes Dr. Murray in an excited manner.) And that’s all he said at the time.

At some point, on your return to the room after escorting children out, did you notice tubing or some type of tubing in Michael Jackson’s groin areas? His penis was out of his underwear and he had an apparatus on his penis and there was tubing attached to his (cover?).

Do you know what a condom catheter is?

Was that something that attracted your attention?
I saw that.

Did you see any type of emergency medical equipment such as a heart monitor or medical equipment at that nature?
The only thing that stands out sir, is an IV stand.

Did you see, where was the IV stand when you saw it?
It was in this direction here (using the laser pointer to indicate on an Exhibit) on this side of the bed.

(Witness indicating) the general location of where Dr. Murray was the far side of the bed, the night stand and the chairs.

Could you tell if there IV stand had anything attacked to it?
I notice it was there, I just focused… I didn’t focus on it.

By this time, you knew that he was Michael Jackson’s person a doctor?
Yes sir.

Did he instruct you on what do to do?
After he said, a bad reaction, I was froze. I was looking at the situation. I looked around at the whole scene and then he (Murray) grabbed (a?) handful of bottles, vials and he instructed me to put then into a bag. I looked toward my right and there was a chair and a plastic bag so I went for that bag and grabbed that and I had him put the medicine bottles in the bag.

From where did Conrad Murray grab these medicine bottles? There was a night stand, or little table in this area, here, (indicating on the exhibit) the side of the bed that Dr. Murray was on.

Adjacent to the bed at the head of the bed?
Yes sir.

Photo Exhibit. People’s thirteen, night stand.

What exactly then did you see Dr. Murray do?
I saw him grab the bottles (witness demonstrating with one hand). (He) grabbed those, stretched them out to me.

Was he (still at the bed?) Was he actually kneeling at this time?

(DDA Question about the bag.)
It was see-through type of grocery bag. I was standing at the foot of the bed sir. He was closer to the (left?).

You held open the plastic bag?
Yes sir. He (Murray) then placed the bottles in the bag.

How were (you) able to tell they were bottles?
I saw them. He held them out and put them in the bag. (Witness demonstrates how he held the bag open and how Dr. Murray dropped the bottles in the bag.)

Now bottles are now in the bag. What did Dr Murry tell you to do that bag?
Put it (clear plastic bag) inside the brown bag and I looked towards that direction (Dr. Murray indicated) and saw a brown bag, that was left of a chair facing the bag. There was a brown bag and I dropped the bag.

You dropped the plastic bag into a brown bag?
Yes sir.

Question about the bag or to describe it.
It looked like a reusable lunch (bag) things, it was brown bag with a (light weight?) beside it. There was a blue bag right next to it.

When then, did (you do after) that?
He then instructed me to remove the IV bag.

At this point 911 had not been called yet?
That’s true sir.

At this point he had not instructed you to call 911?
That’s a true statement. (Q? A?)

(DDA Question?) From his position, he pointed in one hand at the IV stand, (said) remove that bag and put it in the blue bag?

Did you remove it per his instructions and did you put int in a blue bag?
That’s correct.

And did you notice anything about that blue bag?
Yes sir.

The IV bag was handing at eye level. (Q? A?)
I noticed that inside there was an bottle inside the bag. I noticed that, at the bottom of the bag there was a milk like substance. (Separated?)

It was a milk like color?
It was whitish, yes sir.

And when you removed that IV bag that appeared to have a bottle inside, was there another bag hanging from IV?

Did Dr. Murray instruct you to remove that bag?
No sir.

At that point did he tell you to call 911?
Yes sir.

And did you do so?
Yes sir.

DDA: At this point I would like to play the 911 call. People’s transcript submitted into evidence. The evidence is the CD and the transcript…. (not evidence). The defense objects. I think defense object that it might not be the correct transcript? ??? Copy of transcript presented to witness and it’s also up on the ELMO (which we can’t see). The defense complains to the Judge.

“Why put it on the ELMO, there doesn’t seem to be any evidentiary purpose since it’s not evidence.” Judge allows it. We hear the 911 call.

You relayed to operator that Michael Jackson was still on the bed while Dr. Murry was attempting some kind of compressions?
Yes sir.

In regard to the bags that Dr. Murray had you place the bags and the IV in, do you know what happened to those bags?
No sir.

Where the compressions still being done with the one hand?
I don’t recall sir.

Have you told the police back in August that it was one handed, where you trying to be as accurate as possible?
Yes sir.

Once the 911 concluded, (did you) give (information? instruction? to Dr. Murray (?)?
I went and I believe (I? he? -911 op? said? send?) move (Michael) to the floor. I grabbed his legs and there was an IV in his legs, so he, (Dr. Murray) took the IV out.

The witness testifies about a device possibly attached to Michael Jackson’s finger. Do you know what a pulse oximeter is?
No sir.

Dr Murray assisted in bringing the body to the floor. There was a pulse oximeter on his finger, Dr Murray took it off his finger. (I think I have that correct.)

Witness describes what he saw of the pulse oximeter. The DDA, through questioning reminds the witness of earlier testimony with detectives where he said he had seen Dr. Murray with the pulse oximeter, a period of time before Michael Jackson’s death.

Witness describes how Dr. Murray came to the trailer room and asking of batteries a few days before and the witness gave batteries to Dr. Murray. He was holding this same device that he placed on his (Jackson’s) finger.

Some kind of commotion happened that I miss and the Reporter next to me is kicked out.

DDA Question.
While Faheem Mohamed was in the room, I approached him and said, “It’s not looking good.”

DDA Question.
While we were looking at (each) other, I heard Dr Murray say, “Does anyone know CPR?” We (witness and Faheem Mohamed) looked at each other for a split frozen second, like at each other. Like, okay, you do it. So I walked over to Mr Jackson. He (Dr. Murray) instructed me to give chest compressions. He was pushing with two hands one over the other. He started giving him mouth to mouth.

Did Dr. Murry make any comment about giving mouth to mouth?
He came and said, :This is the first time that I’ve give mouth to mouth, but I have to do it because he’s my friend.”

Now at about this time, did you become aware that paramedics had arrived at the scene? Paramedics came into the entry way.

At that point did they take over trying to save Michael?
I moved out of the way.

Did you see Michael? Were you present when he was moved from the side to the foot of the bed? Yes sir. Witness shows (the move of the body) on the diagram.

Using laser pointer could you show where Michael was moved to?
Moved him from this direction. Notes on diagram.

Did you remain in the room while the paramedics tried to revive Michael?
Yes, I was in and out. I went downstairs to let Michael Amir in. At one time I went down again to check on the children.

At any point during your own personal observations was there any indication that he was (alive)? Objection! Sustained.

Did it appear to you that Michael was breathing?
No sir.

You said his eyes were open and his mouth was open?
Yes sir.

When you picked him up was hie limp?

So did he seem to be alive or dead? (Objection was overruled.)
Dead sir.

Were you present when paramedics took Michael out of the room?
I was walking up when they were walking down the stairs with the stretcher.

Was it the same stairs that we’ve been referencing throughout?
Yes sir.

What did you do as Michael was brought out of the home and brought into the ambulance?
I was watching the children and making sure they didn’t see him being brought out.

At some point, did you follow the ambulance to UCLA Medical?
I was in one of the Escalades.

Did you remain at the hospital and subsequent ER treatment of Michael?

At some point at hospital, did you become aware that Mr. Jackson had been pronounced dead? Yes.

After learning that, while still at UCLA did Dr. Murray say anything to you?
He approached me a couple of times. First time, he said, “Thank you for all that we did.” We tried (our?) best, I said. He asked me if we could go home or (him be) taken (back to the) home.

DDA Question.
I didn’t have the keys or the authority .

He (Murray) proceeded to ask Michael Amir.

After that, did you ever see Dr. Murray again?
No sir.

At some point were you involved in the logistics to leave UCLA?
After they had secured the body we discussed how we were going to take him out. We then (learned) that it was all taken care of and we proceeded to, me, Amir , Faheem and Derek (sp?) and myself, we drove around towards Carolwood. (At the house) we saw that there was already a lot of police officers that had blocked off the area. We identified ourselves and they (police) let us in.

Did you remain at that location?
I was there or a few minutes. Then I was instructed to take the children’s dog to the Havenhurst property. A Labrador that they owned so I proceed to… It didn’t have a leash, so I used my belt and took it to Havenhurst.

Another residence associated with the Jackson family?

I believe the morning break is called. There’s more testimony for this day and I will put it up either in this entry or a new entry when I have time to work on it. Sprocket.

15 minute break

CROSS (I’m sorry I can’t remember who performed the cross. Possibly Chernoff.)

Questions about his work hours.

You were there by schedule, not by coincidence?
Yes sir.

And you worked the night before?
Yes sir.

When did you finish your scheduled (shift) on the 24th? (Did your?) work went through the 25th (and) finished about 12:30 a.m., one in the morning?
Yes sir.

I want to clear up some things that were said. When did you exactly place Michael Jackson on the floor? When (I?) was on the call you had mentioned that Michael Jackson was limp when you picked him up. That was your testimony earlier?

Defense Question.
I grabbed him by his ankles; by his calf area and Dr Murray lifted him from his head or shoulders?
Yes. From this part.

JP: What part?
From the shoulder sir.

And I’m sure you were careful with him?
Yes sir.

And you still had your phone with you?
Yes sir.

Before you placed him on the floor, exhibit brought out…. can you please show us where this IV stand was?
In around that direction.

Was was it still connected to Michael Jackson?
Prior to us moving (Jackson), Dr M removed the IV.

Just before (he was) moved to the floor?
Yes sir.

(Did he have to also move the IV stand?
I don’t recall sir because it was a pretty long tube connect to the IV.

Brought him down right beside the bed? Show us where the IV stand was.

Right they by the night stand. (Q? A?)

And where did you place Mr. Jackson?
We placed him right there.

(I think Walgren objects.) Witnessed has twice identified the areas.

You did this while you were on the 911 call.
Yes sir.

You say that you were continuously on the phone with Michael Amir until you saw Dr Murray?

As son as you saw Dr. Murray and you hung up the phone?
Yes sir.

From that period that you hung up the phone until you called 911, that’s the time that you place the items in the bag and the IV bags? You were sure that it was before the 911 call just as sure as when you placed mg on the floor?
That’s correct sir.

Where were you when Dr Murray first say you?
On the landing. Points on the diagram where everyone was. He was here and he said, “Alberto, come, come (quick) please.”

Judge Pastor asks the witness to clarify the on the diagram more specifically. He noticed me coming up the stairs and that’s when he said those words to me.

You said, that Dr. Murry was leaning over the landing when you were outside the door?
I didn’t make eye contact with Dr Murry at that point.

He first saw you when you had already made you way up on the landing?
Yes sir.

Then Dr. Murray goes into the foyer and you follow him there?
That’s correct.

Asks what the weather was on that typical sunny day. Michael Jackson’s bedroom was dimly lit.? Quite a contrast from what you experienced outside?
Not too much sir.

What would you mean by dimly lit? Would, is the courtroom dimly lit? Was it less bright than in the courtroom?

So you walked in. You testified you saw Dr. Murray perform CPR, and he was on the other side of the bed when you walked in the room?

You don’t know where his other had was, when he was giving compression?

He was going like this with his left hand and he was saying we have to get an ambulance. (Q? A?)

At that point I was reaching for my phone.

You don’t know if he placed his hand on his back, or other hand on his knees?

At the time you got the phone call from M Amir there was nothing going on at the residence? Correct.

Would you say your concern was ratcheted up quite a bit?
Yes sir.

And you’re security, and part of your responsibility is to make sure Michael Jackson is okay?

So he’s telling you to walk to the door then telling you to job to the door, would you say your concern was getting higher and higher?
Yes sir.

And as you got upstairs in the room and you saw him lying there with his eyes and mouth open. you were even more clearly alarmed?

From (1 to 10?) 19 would you say a ten?
I would say so yes.

Would it be fair to say you were in shock?

The first thing he said, we need an ambulance and he said that word, then you reached to your phone; you were going to call 911 because you knew what he meant? Objection! Sustained!

Because you knew he meant because when you walked into the room, you didn’t know he needed an ambulance. As soon a you reached for the phone I hear Paris there. Well I heard Paris scream daddy daddy!! ??? (Q)

Then Dr Murray (and you?) both agree (?)?
He instructed me to escort them out.

But you would have done that on your own? Those kids mattered to you.
Of course.

You walked them out of the door; did you tell them anything (about) what happened? (You) said, don’t worry kids we’ll take care of this and I (?) kids rushed them out tot the foyer into the landing area?
Yes sir.

Did you see their nanny at that (time)? Did you see their nanny?
No sir.

Did you call for the nanny?
No sir.

So you went back in the room, so you went through the foyer and back into the bedroom.
And then you asked him a question?

Yes sir.

You said, “What happened?” Is) Dr. Murray still performing chest compressions?
Yes sir.

Did you see the other hand? Was he still standing?
No he was kneeling.

It could have been under his back you still don know?
No I don’t.

And Dr Murray told you he had a bad reaction and that’s when you say that Dr. Murry told you to put some things in the bags.

And that Dr, Murry told you take something of an IV bag and put it in bag. You put the IV bag off the stand and put it in a blue bag?

And you looked for a plastic bag, and put it in front of Dr. Murray? All of this happened, and you still have not called 911?

Then you you called 911 after setting everything down?

Do you know what time you called 911 ?
Approximately 12 21 p.m.

How did you know that?
I looked at my phone log.

Did you happen to hear or see your voice on the 911 call on TV? Did you ever (hear) that on TV that it was on 12:12 p.m.?
Yes sir.

You actually spoke to another operator before that call?

Do you (?)
I don’t recall that sir.

Do you recall getting a hold of Beverly Hills dispatch?

You don’t remember the transferring of you to this other dispatch?
I don’t recall that.

Did you have at time to review your cell phone records?
I did that today.

With the prosecution? Did they show you the 911 call on your records? Did you see the call made at 12:20 p.m.?
I did see that, that’s correct.

All these things happened before you made this 911 call?

How long do you say that you were talking to Michael Amir? Michael Amir phone call came from 12 :17 p.m. How long did that conversation last?
I d say over 1 minute.

And you saw in your in your record that call lasted 88 seconds?
Yes sir.

I didn’t recall what you said when you met him first. Some time after (1/1 January 1st? )?
After I started working at Carolwood.

Were you friends with Dr. Murray?
We actually had a couple of conversations, yes.

In depth?
Other than that it was just a hi Dr. Murray. Only a couple of times that we actually held a conversation.

It was somebody you knew?

No relationship that you had with Dr Murray that would have you to conspire in some way was there?
No sir.

You called him,the second time? (Going over the phone call from Michael Amir.)
Now questions about when Faheem showed up at the house.

How much time before the phone call from Michael Amir from when Faheem left the residence? Objection! Sustained!

Judge Pastor: Did you see Faheem leave the residence (when he went to the bank)?

You’re aware that there is surveillance cameras at Carolwood and there is time? You didn know? no sir.

Have you ever had an occasion to observe that video surveillance yourself?
Did you know where the surveillance cameras were pointing?
Not all sir. I did deal with the security on the property. I know of one at the gate then one right by the garage, and know some of them were pointing towards the back exterior.

Do you know anything about cameras pointing at the front door of the residence?
I don’t recall sir.

Now that front door is always open, it’s always open?
No, it would be locked up. but the kitchen door, next to the security trial, that door is always locked. For the most part it would be.

Do you remember Michael Amir tell you to go the the front door?

Did you know why?
No sir.

The only time we were permitted to go into the property was through the kitchen door and that was to use the bathroom.

But you remember Michael Amir telling you specifically to go to the font door?
Yes sir.

When you first entered the room… Back up. after you placed Michael Jackson on the ground, you said that Dr. Murray was performing CPR and (you) were having a conversation with Faheem Mohamed. At the time were you pacing or were you over (?)
By Dr. Murray sir.

And what were you doing, what was Dr. Murray doing when Faheem entered?
We had (?) him on the floor. As soon as we had placed him on the floor, that’s when Fhaeem came in. I didn’t kneel.

I think we had already placed him.

So he walked in when?
I was at the feet of Mr. Jackson at the time.

And what were you doing?

And Dr. Murray, was doing compressions?
Yes, he did.

When Dr. Murray asked if either one of you knew how to perform CPR, did you find that suspicious?
No I didn’t think anything of it.

To be continued….

So, you placed vials in the bag. (Another question?)
When I had it open, it was a clear plastic bag.

Do you remember discussing this entire incident to police, and that was recorded on audio tape, taking police on August 31st?
Yes sir.

During that interview you never told that the vials were taken off the side table. And during today’s (testimony) you said that Dr Murray held out his hands, and that’s what you showed us today. And you said in his hand were some vials. And the hand that he was holding out (?)?
I did see. I saw him reach over.

Well this is important so lets think about it. What hand did he use to grab those bottles of the side table?
His right and sir.

And the hand he reached out with the vials, that was his right hand too?
Yes sir.

Can you tell us what these vials were?
I just can remember they were the type of bottles that you get syringes in them and you get medicine out of them. (Another question here?) The whole things were clear.

And was there a color to the top of the vial?
I remember they were surrounded by a silver… don’t remember.

Any other color than silver? How many were there?
I don’t know sir. I remember there were a few.

So you ‘re saying it could be three or four?

Could it be two?
I know there were more than two.

So your standing while that happens?
I din’t look into the bag, but I saw him drop them in the bag.

Was there anything else in that bag?
No sir.

Same testimony, about grabbing the bag when Dr. Murray told him to put the vials in the bag. Pastor asks witness to clarify where he was pointing. More detailed questions about the plastic bag and the bottles. I think either testimony is read back or the defense attorney is reading his statement here. Then pointed, looking towards the brown bag, and he said “place them in that brown bag.”

There was a chair on this side, here in this areas here, and the bags were on the far side of the chair on the floor. And you mentioned a blue bag was that also on the chair?
On the side of the chair, yes.

Did you ever touch these vials?
No. never.

When all then was going on, did you ever have an opportunity to see this or other bottles anywhere, any syringes there?

Did, you didn’t touch a syringe?
No sir.

This bag that you touched, took (the IV?) off this stand,
That’s correct. I had to curl it around.

There was a period of time you were holding that that IV bag?
That’s correct sir.

(You stated?) that there was something in the bottom, that white milky fluid, and your’e sure that was absolutely in that was milky white?
Yes sir.

And thee was a bottle “inside the bag” and that’s something that you told the police as well?

In fact that you drew a drawing for the police.
It was towards the bottom of the bag.

And yous sure that it was IN that IV bag? There’s no doubt about it?

I don’t know how that could be. Very confusing. (Q? A? My comment?)

It, the IV bag that was left on the stand, was the one that was connected to Michael Jackson? Do you remember that?
Yes sir.

The one that you took off the IV bag wasn’t connected to anything?
Yes sir.

When he asked you to take that off, that was a very quick operation, it all happened all at the same time? One instruction after another?

Was anything, was that IV bag (stand?) moved?
I mean I don’t know sir, I don’t know if it rolled away.

Did yo move it yourself?
I could have. I don’t recall.

One of the things you testified, that there was a dark brown machine on the bed?
Yes sir.

But that was also placed on Michael Jackson’s finger when it was placed on. That was actually during the time of the call. Do you remember talking to police about this particular machine on August 31 2009?

And you do you remember describing what this machine looked like ?
Yes sir. It had one wire with a rectangle that had Mr. Jackson’s finger in it.

Do you recall telling officers on the 31st that the machine had wires, plural, hanging on from it?
I don’t remember if I said wire. I remember there was one wire.

Do you remember the picture?

And you drew this for police?

And you remember that it was fastened onto his finger? You said, “I could have said placed?” Could you have said “placed into?”
I don’t know sir I could have.

Defense asks if he’s ever seen a pulse oximeter?
No sir.

When you told police on the 3st you told them you had never seen that machine before, but today, you said that you had seen it before. So that’s the truth that you had seen it before?
That’s correct sir.

The first time, briefly, he what it was, because he was placing the batteries inside the machine. (Q? A?)

But you do recall Dr. Murray telling you that it was for monitoring? Objection! Sustained.

You testified that Dr. Murry told you what it was for. What did he tell you?
I couldn’t give you the exact words but I know it was something about monitoring.

On August 31st, at that time, it didn’t come to me sir.

Now back to the, were there any other items left in the room after you placed (the IV bags in the bags?) in the room or anything else that you saw?

JP: Limited to if he saw. Objection! Def: Withdrawn.

You said there were a number of vials placed in the bag. Would it be fair to say you never saw any other bottles.
No sir I didn’t see any. I remember seeing one of those thins that you put over your mouth and pump with air.

When did you see that?
I dont’ recall sir.

Did you eve go in that room after June 25th?

After that time , you never when upstairs again?
No sir.

You remember that breathing apparatus the room? Was it on the floor?
Yes sir.

Do you remember because pictures were shown to you?
No. I remember sir.

Remember policy officers spoke to you at the hospital?
Don’t know by name sir, but they were both present.

Was it Orlando Martinez and Scott Smith?

Afterward you went to the Caorlwood house with Amir and ?? Do you know why you went back to the house?
No sir.

You don’t remember a conversation that Michael Amir had (with you?) that “The police wanted to talk t us?”
No sir.

Do you remember what time (he went back to the house?)?
I remember it was about 5 o’clock.

Now asking about taking the dog to Hayvenhurst property.

In fact, you didn’t find all of that suspicious at all? (I believe this is about the medicines Dr. Murray had him put in plastic bags.)
No I didnt sir.

You just thought it was all being packed up to take to the hospital?
Yes sir.

When you left the hospital, how soon after you left the hospital did you discuss the incident with Faheem and Michael Amir?

When was… Objection! (Don’t know ruling but possibly overruled.)

When was the fist time that you discussed it with Faheem Mohamed?
I think it was a day or two afterwards when I started seeing the report on CNN.

Was it on at that point in time that you decide to hire a lawyer? Objection. Sustained.

There is no … You’re just trying to tell us what happen?
Yes sir.

You were being honest with the police on August 31st?
Yes sir.

Do you remember when our investigator came out to talk to you?
It was late.

Can you remember that?

And you wouldn’t take to us?
You said, you said, “Go call my lawyer?”

You’re just trying to tell us what happened?

Why wouldn’t you talk to us? You just trying to state the facts?

Why wouldn’t you talk to our investigator?
I was instructed by my attorney.

Sometime after this year, in June of 2010, after Dr. Murray had been charged with manslaughter, were you asked to give your fingerprints? Objection! Sustained.

Were you ever given your fingerprints? Objection! Sustained.

After August 31st, did you have an conversation with your lawyer? Objection Sustained.

How long did you stay at Jackson’s residence after you drop the dog off? You testified you brought the dog to the Hayvenhurst residence. And that’s the Jackson (Michael’s mother) residence?

In Encino?

How long did you stay there?
Not too long sir. a

After some time, after the death of Michael Jackson, were you employed?
I was security for the children sir.

Who hired you?
I spoke to Janice and Mrs. Jackson, sir.

And this is a job you sought out? Did you seek this job out.
Occasionally I reached out to check on the children sir. And at one time it was discussed how I might be able to obtain the job.

In August 2009, you were not employed by the Jackson family?

When did you go to work for them?
It was around February, March 2010.

So you were hired 2010? yes. You were not yet hired in August 2009 by the Jackson family? You were hired in 2010 by the Jackson family?
Yes sir.

When did you stop employment?
April, May. I was only there for 2 months.

Did you quit? Objection! Sustained. 252

Mr. Alvarez were you, you one of the staff that was to go to England for this 2009 tour?
Did you have the opportunity to go to England? Did you pay for that trip? Objection! Relevance. Sustained.

Who payed for that trip? Objection! Sustained!

Where are you currently employed? Objection! Relevance! Sustained.

How do you get paid? Do you have a job? Objection! Relevance! Sustained!


Since the death of Michael Jackson, have you been contacted by media outlets on repeated basis?
Yes sir.

On repeated occasions?
Yes sir.

Has it been suggested by your atty, Mr. Douglas, have you not spoken (to anyone)?
Yes sir.

There was no way that you would know how to distinguish between an investigator or a reporter?
Yes sir.


Your trip to England had nothing to do to that? Objection. Relevance. Sustained.

Actually, you volunteered to police on this topic, that you wanted to help them first?

(Did you tell them?) Maybe at a later time, I might sell my story, but not just yet? Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence! Overruled.

Is that was you told them?
Yes sir.

Why did your lawyer tell you not tell you to talk to the defense? Objection! Sustained.

That’s the end of the recross of this witness.


Thursday, January 6, 2011

Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 3 Part I

Edited by Caligirl9 on January 7, 2011 at 7:40 p.m.
Correction edit by Sprocket 1/8, 9:00 p.m.

9:05 a.m.
I drive down to the courthouse because I had to help Mr. Sprocket get the big electrical box down from the workroom and into his White Whale Work Truck. I took photos of it and will post once it’s installed in the commercial fishing boat. This is the panel that will control all the refrigeration, circulation and starting systems on the boat.

When I got into the courtroom, KFI’s Eric Leonard was sitting in the seats where the reporter from Splash and I have been sitting. I think he finally recognized me from the Robert Blake trial and moved to the other end of the courtroom and chatting with the other “guys” in the room. Back when I attended my first trial (Robert Blake) in Van Nuys, I was sitting next to the attorney for the family, who was also named Eric. People mistakenly thought I was talking about Eric Leonard instead of the family attorney…and it supposedly caused a bit of a problem for Eric Leonard.

Five more minutes. Our PIO hasn’t even shown up to take our names as to who’s here. It’s a small crowd today in the overflow room.

9:20 a.m.
No feed. A reporter raises his hand and jokingly asks, “Sister Mary…” Pat bows back. “Should we be worried since there is no FEED?”

The bailiff is on the phone now, calling about the feed.

“Could you explain purgatory to us please?” The reporter asks again. Pat just wanted everyone to know about the class trip. A bit of laughter.

After next week, they may not have an overflow courtroom available. So they are taking names sign in every day, to see who shows up just in case they don’t have another courtroom for overflow.

9:25 a.m: Court called to order—traffic and logistical delays. Richard Senneff still on the stand under cross by Low.

Defense CROSS by Attorney Low

Q: Left off where the hospital gave you the choice to call it (the death).

Senneff: That’s not correct. When we give our third round of meds we update vital sings of any changes. Read all the information. There was no change in the patient.

They (UCLA) said, “We’d like to call it.” It’s their call. They want to speak to the physician. Be advised this is a very high profile VIP. They said, “No, call it. Put Dr. Murray on the line, with UCLA and then handed the phone back to him.

Dr. Murray was assuming the call and they were going to the hospital. He didn’t want to make the call either.

Dr Murray assumed control [of the resuscitation effort].

Q: He said he wanted to insert a central line.

Senneff: That’s correct.

Q: Another idea he had was to administer magnesium.

Senneff: Yes.

[ed. note: Strange drug to pick. From what I remember about Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ACLS), magnesium is used for ventricular tachycardia, a rhythm that would easily be identified via EKG, and via paramedic testimony, was NOT present. Methinks the doctor was throwing the kitchen sink at the situation, hoping something might stick.}

Q: They don’t give you all the equipment (medications) as a hospital?

Senneff: That’s correct.

We’re not trained in central lines. I’ve never been trained on it or read up on it, and it’s out of our range/scope of training.

Paramedics did not have magnesium on hand. Not part of their standard medication stocking, so all that had to be obtained from the hospital.

At some point he (Senneff) is informed of the name of the patient. I’m not sure who said it, but somebody said it in the room. No one was “insisting” that we do anything because of who this was.

Q: Did Dr. Murray assist you bringing the patient downstairs?

Senneff: No, not at that point.

He went back up to get his gear, and left the room before Dr. Murray left the room.

Q: Was there at some point did Dr. Murray say that he had found a pulse?

Senneff: Yes he did. (Murray claimed he felt a pulse in the femoral artery; this large artery is in the leg close to the groin.)

As soon as he said it, the first thing I did was look at the monitor.

Q: When you do good CPR, it’s common to get a pulse.

Senneff: I believe what I said was, stop compressions, continue ventilations. If you stop compressions, then you feel a pulse, then obviously it’s not the compressions. Stop for a few seconds, check the monitor. It also gives you a clear opportunity of the EKG machine.

Q: Now, downstairs at the ambulance. There were a lot of people out there with cameras. Would you describe an accurate term, paparazzi?

Big cameras, little cameras, video. There were a lot.

Lists the people in the ambulance.

Senneff: Dr. Murray asked us to give another round of epinephrine. They did that through saline line.

Now at UCLA. The crowd was all over the place. Dr. Murray made a request to put a towel over to cover his face. He thought it was a reasonable request.

When they left the house, a man with a camera started running down the street and put the camera right up against the window and was running with the ambulance, filming. Because of that event, it seemed a reasonable request by Dr. Murray to cover Michael Jackson’s face.

UCLA tried to revive Michael Jackson. While at the hospital he learned that the death was called by UCLA. He doesn’t remember exactly how long the time lapse was that passed, but guesses 45 minutes to an hour after arrival at the hospital.


DDA Q: Asking about femoral pulse during treatment.

Senneff: When Dr. Murray said he felt a pulse, not one of the other paramedics had felt a pulse. There can be a “false” pulse during CPR compressions. They stopped compressions for a few seconds, and then resumed. He did not feel a pulse.

DDA Q: Did Dr. Murray offer to insert a central line from his equipment?

Senneff: No.

DDA Q: Did Dr. Murray offer magnesium from his equipment?

Senneff: No.

DDA Q: When you first came in the room, and saw that Dr. Murray identified himself. Was that unusual?

Senneff: Yes.

DDA Q: The fact that there was an IV there. Was that unusual?

Senneff: This patient seems thin to him and pale.

DDA Q: Your opinion of this patient was based on the surroundings, the IV, the look of the patient, quite thin and pale, the doctor being there. In fact, it was your opinion that the patient was dead.

No other indication of other type of illness or drug use, other than your observations and the defendant telling you he gave him mirazapam.

Senneff: No. It was just unusual to see a doctor in a patient’s home, the IV and oxygen bottle.

DDA Q: You thought it was inaccurate that the doctor said the patient had just gone down with the call?

Senneff: Yes sir.

DDA Q: (Re-verifies with the witness) That you are comfortable with a time that the patient went down prior to your arrival?

Senneff: “20 minutes to an hour.”

DDA Q: At any time, did any of your team feel a pulse on this patient? No.

(Sprocket note: missed question)

Senneff: Sure. 12:05 could have been the time of arrest.

DDA Q: What time was the 911 call?

Sennett: 12:21 p.m.

Q: That wasn’t actually the time of the call; that’s when you received it, correct.

Witness needs to check the run sheet.
Sennett: Call came in at 12:21; they received it at 12:22.

Witness #7—Paramedic Martin Blount

There is a delay. The witness is coming down on an elevator.

DDA established background through questioning. Firefighter 20 years. Paramedic 11 years. Working as a paramedic on June 25th, 2009. He is a handsome, black firefighter. He was the driver on this call. Once on the property, he was directed in the house and up the stairs. He was toward the back in the line of people who entered the home. Shown exhibits/layout of the home where he treated the patient. He thinks he was the fifth one in line of the five firefighters.

When he first saw the patient, he was not on the floor; he was in the bed. Blount identifies the defendant, who identified himself as the patient’s personal physician. Dr. Murray was the one who opened the door and requested help. He noticed that Dr. Murray was sweating profusely. Blount clarifies that when he entered the room, the patient was on the floor. Testifies that he noticed an IV stand in the room. The patient was moved to a better area of the room.

Explains why he was last person in the room. As the driver, he got the gurney out of the back of the ambulance and other gear. His role, as driver, is to be available to the patient, so he positions himself at the patient’s head. He did hear Dr. Murray being asked if the patient had been given any drugs and Dr. Murray said no. Dr. Murray explained that the reason there was an IV was because the patient had been dehydrated.

Blount’s police statement said that Dr. Murray said that the rehearsals the previous day had been 16 hours.

DDA Q: Do you remember Dr. Murray said something about a physical? Blount heard Dr. Murray say that the patient had been down five minutes, prior to calling 911.

Blount described scene. I saw O2 cylinder. Oxygen tank.

DDA Q: Anything else? Heart monitor?

Blount: No sir.

DDA Q: Did you see a nasal cannula? Yes, that’s tubing that would go around the nose and connected to an oxygen tank. Did not observe any other type of medical equipment.

Blount described his primary job is to get air going via an endotracheal tube (ET), and let the patient know how he’s doing. Patient’s head was at his knees. Blount was able to quickly place and insert an ET tube. Once the tube is in place, the patient is getting air. It’s a hand pump device (Ambu bag). Other paramedics are giving chest compressions, etc.

Blount noticed the IV wasn’t operating properly, so they were looking for a site on the arms to insert a new IV. Blount said, “To me, the temperature of Jackson’s skin was cool.”

While this was going on, he was also observing the heart monitor, and making observations on the capnography readings [ed. note: monitoring CO2 in patient’s respiratory effort]. Confirmed that the tub was properly placed and filling it’s function. While looking for an IV site, another paramedic decided to stick via the jugular (the two heart stimulant drugs). He observed that the patient’s eyes were “blown” [ed. note: blown means large and unresponsive to light]. It was Blount’s opinion, from observing the body, that the patient was dead.

At that point, Dr. Murray held up a hypodermic needle with a blue color, and said, “We could use this here. The team said, “That’s okay.” Witness thought that was odd because they had asked about drugs and Dr. Murray said he had given none. The size of the needle caught his attention. It was a 24 gage [ed. note: small gauge needle.]

Blount noticed small bottles of Lidocaine. It’s a form of anesthetic. There were bottles on the floor. He thought that was odd because they had asked Dr. Murray if he had given any drugs and he said no.

DDA Q: Skipping now to when UCLA took the care of the patient over to Dr. Murray to assume care. Did you read through the monitors any viable heart rhythm?

Blount: No.

DDA Q: Do you remember Dr. Murray telling you he felt a femoral pulse?

Blount: Yes.

DDA Q: Was there something that you saw that you thought was odd?

Blount: The patient had a condom catheter.

DDA Q: What is a condom catheter?

Blount: Commonly used in surgical proceedings when a patient is unconscious. [ed. note: actually an indwelling urinary catheter is more likely to be used.]

He observed Dr. Murray scoop the three Lidocaine bottles off the floor and put them (in a bag?) Blount never saw those bottles again.

Blount observed Dr. Murray in the ambulance take out his cell phone and make a phone call. While working on the patient, Blount heard that it was Michael Jackson and he recognized him as Michael Jackson. At the hospital, he was at the location, restocking his equipment. He then asked a nurse to locate a piece of equipment. Briefly saw the doctors working on Michael Jackson. Dr. Murray was in there with the doctor’s while they continued to work on Michael Jackson.

CROSS by Low

Going over his testimony of questions that Dr. Murray was asked. Questioning Blount about how long he thought Michael Jackson had been down, Blount verifying that it was his impression that the patient looked deceased when he first came in the room. Verifies that he testified that he thought the patient’s skin was cool.

Q: Do you recall what date it was that you told detectives the patient’s skin was cool? (Witness doesn’t recall. Apparently he said earlier, that the patient’s skin was “not warm; not cool.”)

Going over when the witness remembers Dr. Murray say he wanted to take over, and continue to the hospital.

Low asks for a moment to check his notes.

Blount: I did not ask him if the patient took recreational drugs. One of my team did. The answer from Dr. Murray was no.

Blount verifies that one of the paramedics tried at least three times to find a vein in the hands or arms. [ed. note: preferred location short of inserting a central line!]

Q: Do you have any reason why they could not find a vein? Is it in your experience, people who are as skinny as they are, that drug addicts that it’s difficult to find a vein?

Blount gives an example of a known drug addict with tattoos and he is still able to find a vein.

Q: Even so, at the same time, it can be difficult. The witness agrees.

They did their normal protocol.


DDA Q: If someone has no viable heart rhythm, then blood cannot be circulating through the body one of the things that happens is the veins collapse and they can be difficult to access.

Blount: Correct.

DDA Q: Did you count the number of sites that paramedic Goodwin tried to access to get a line in?

Blount: No.

Finished with this witness.

The morning break is called.

10:58 am
Back inside the courtroom. No video again.

Witness #8— Harry Daliwal
(He’s an older man with graying hair. He had dark skin, of East Indian descent.)

DDA Debrah Brazil direct.

DDA established through questioning that Daliwal has been an ATT employee for 15 years. Area retail sales manager of eight stores. Access over phone records, text messages.

DDA shows Daliwal Exhibit 19, 72 pages. He recognizes the document; he’s reviewed the document before—it’s cell phone records. Defense attorney Chernoff states he’s not familiar with the document and is examining it Chernoff has received the phone records not the text records. He has no objection.

Daliwal is directed to page 2.

DDA Q: Does page 2 provide information to whom those records belong?

Daliwal: Conrad Murray.

DDA reads the phone number into the record.

Daliwal says the exhibit contains cellular call information and data information for that phone. Data information is all text messages, e-mail or if the owner checks the Internet.

Witness is familiar with ATT’s iPhone. Trying to explain when data is “pushed” through a phone. It’s when data information automatically comes into the phone e-mail, web, etc. Each one of those data pushes would be recorded on the phone.

DDA directs witness to Page 66 of Exhibit. Describe for the court, the information contained on the page, left to right in the columns.

Daliwal: Item number = serial number as actively happens; it’s chronological [to] time. Next column, there’s no information in the sent or received column… Sometimes he’s seen this. Next column is the amount of kilobytes. Higher number reflects more data, more character, a larger piece of information, larger email, text, etc. SMS indicates that this is a text message.

Can’t tell from this page if the message is incoming or outgoing, but can tell that on the client’s bill. Next column, charge, is the charges for that particular entry. Servicing area. There is a state abbreviation (TX for Texas).

DDA directs attention to cell phone activity starting on June 25th, 2009, on page 66. Daliwal going over those entries.

DDA Q: Starting with serial number 870, is that the first entry on that date?

Daliwal: Yes.

DDA Q: What time?

Daliwal describes phone activity.

12:04 a.m. received data entry.
3:04 and so on…
871 received data entry all the same all the way through with 876 data entry at 6:04

Is very possible that was the setting on the phone. It’s possible that the phone was set and the automatic activity would occur.

6:25 a.m. text message

next entry
7:03 a.m. data
7:20 a.m. data
8:14 a.m. data

next text message from Texas

8:54 a.m. data
Attention now on page 67 of cell phone records.

9 a.m. text message sent to or from someone in TX
9:11 a.m. text message to or from TX
8:35 a.m. data
10:04 a.m. data
10:15 a.m. data
10:26 a.m. text message TX
10:24 a.m. ????
(Sprocket note: I missed two listings)
12:03 p.m. text
12:04 text message to or from TX
12. 13 p.m. data
12:18 p.m. data
12:53 p.m. text message California
1:23 p.m. text message Nevada
2:19 p.m. next one? data

(Sprocket note: Various messages that continue The times are read too fast to copy.)
DDA now refers to exhibit pages 1 through 24.

DDA Q: What type of activity is reflected?

Daliwal: Cell phone usage, to or from…
Calls, on June 25th, 2009, page 21, page 22, page 23.
Page 21 first top column across read the descriptions

Item =serial number
date =date of call
time = time
calls to =to incoming or out going call
minutes used= length
usage type =what type of phone call it was.
Charge, then roaming type= if on home system or other network.
Code= “Network code not familiar with”
Next “Tells which carrier carries the call.”

June 25th, 2009 phone activity begins on item 319.

9:23 a.m. number incoming 22 minutes.
Next several items, serial numbers 312-328 calls made on June 25th as well.

DDA produces copy of Exhibit 20. Daliwal examined this before coming to court today.

Compared information on peoples 20 to cell phone records.

Reads off a list of call times on Murray’s phone

10:29 a.m. call from ? to Murray’s phone 22 minutes

11:07 a.m. from (6xx) 994-3233 to Murray’s phone 1 minute
11:18 a.m. call from (7xx) 862-0973 placed (2xx) 866-6802 and that call logged at 32 minutes.

missed listing one call

11:49 a.m. call placed from Murray to (702) xxx-4989 3 minutes.
11:51 a.m. a call placed from Murray to (832) xxx-3832 11 minutes.
12:12 p.m. from Murray phone to (562) xxx-2570 lasted 1 minute
12:15 p.m. from (562) xxx-2570 to Conrad Murray 1 minute


Q: How did you get chosen for this?

Daliwal: “I didn’t.”

Q: Is there a way for the prosecution or the defense to retrieve the content of text messages?

Daliwal: “It’s not a yes or no. There is a way. However, I’m not familiar with it. I’m not in that process, so I don’t know.”

Q: What about the content of voice mail? Is there a way for ATT to retrieve that voice mail?

Daliwal: “It’s a yes or no answer, It can be done but I’ not an expert.”

Q: That’s all I have.

No redirect.

Witness #9 Jeff Strohm.

DDA Walgren states that both the content of the cell phones and text messages have been provided in discovery, and if there is a question about that he would be happy to answer. DDA asks about Strohm’s background.

Strohm: I work for Sprint Nextel communications where I am a custodian of records. As a custodian I’m responsible for testifying.

Responsible for various types of legal commands.

DDA produces Exhibit 21

Strohm says he’s familiar with the document. (702) xxx-3747 phone records for subscriber information and phone calls, Conrad Murray.

DDA Q: Are these records prepared near the time of the activity occurs. Are these documents regularly maintained in Sprint Nextel activities?

Strohm: Yes.

DDA goes to entries for date June 25th, 2009; page 123 of 183.

DDA Q: Briefly describe the information contained in the header.

Strohm explains: Calling number initiation, next call receiving, dial digits (numbers actually entered), 4 mobile roll number (inbound or outbound or routed), start date, date and time of call (it will be the time of the tower that gets the call, military24-hour clock time).

DDA asks for more call detail descriptions.

DDA Q: All phone calls on June 25 based in LA?

Strohm: “Correct. Reviewed calls from 7:01 a.m. to 8 p.m.

He’s seen exhibit 20 before he came to court today.

Verifies the information on Nextel phone of that document (outlined in blue) is accurate.

7?? a.m. from (xxx) 792-709 made to ???? 25 seconds
8:49 a.m. from 5217 to Conrad Murray Nextel 3437: 53 seconds
10:22 a.m. from 0124 to 3747 111 seconds
10:34 a.m. from Conrad 3747 to 3233 = 8 and a half minutes
11:26 a.m. from 9566 to Conrad 3747: seven seconds
1:08 p.m. from his phone to (310) xxx-070 2 minutes

People’s 21 chart focus on two calls: 8:49 am 53 seconds and right below that a call for 48 seconds

DDA Q: Please describe what it reflects.

Strohm: If you look at the call detail, one is a routed call, and the second is the inbound call. And that is actually one call because the times overlap, so the 53 seconds would be more accurate.


Q: What is a routed call?

Strohm: There’s two examples of routed calls.

Temporary local dialing number that’s a bridge number when they are in an area that they can’t find service. That number is used so the person can complete a network connection. Routed aspect and inbound aspect. And the overlapping times tell you that.

The person making or receiving would they know the call was being routed.

Witness excused.

Prosecution asks to break early since they have no more witness scheduled for the morning. It’s 11:50 am. Judge Pastor agrees and asks everyone to be ready to go at 1:15 pm.

The afternoon session will be in a new entry.


Thursday, January 6, 2011

Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 3 Part II

Thursday, January 6 notes, edited and ed. notes by Caligirl9 on January 7, 2011 @ 6 p.m.
Correction edit by Sprocket 1/8, 9 p.m.

Afternoon session.

When I got in the elevator to go down to lunch, Mona, the excellent sketch artist who’s inside the courtroom, was in the elevator too. I asked her what family was in the courtroom. Faux pas! She said, “Well there’s one family member.” One of Michael’s brothers was in the elevator standing right beside her. I was so embarrassed! I apologized. I said, “I didn’t recognize you.” He smiled and said, “Sometimes I don’t recognize myself.” So kind. I still don’t know who it was, since the man didn’t look like any media photos of Michael’s brothers that I’ve seen. Oh well.

1:12 p.m.: Back inside the courtroom.
The binder in front of the camera is removed but we have no sound. Pop quiz on the numbers from the morning session tomorrow.

The exhibits are not actually being entered into evidence at this time. They are always clarifying that this is “for reference only.”

Still don’t have sound and Judge is on the bench. The deputy leaves to go get the sound turned on. Picture, but no sound. Ah—sound.

Witness #10—Dr. Richelle Cooper: UCLA Emergency medicine physician.

Been an attending since 2008. She details how long she was a resident. June 25th 2009 working at UCLA as an ER physician.

Deputy District Attorney (DDA) Q: Remember being consulted by a bay station call-in?

Dr. Cooper: There is a care nurse, assigned to answer radio calls.

DDA Q: That nurse is charged (to) radioing back to the care for the patient to be given?

Dr. Cooper: Yes.

(Note: We can barely hear this doctor.).

Dr. Cooper details what she learned when she was first made aware of the radio call. She goes over the base hospital form. “My understanding that the arrest was around 12:18.” She needs to review her records.

The time is the “estimated” time of cardiac arrest. This information came from the radio nurse relayed to her. While this bay station call was continuing, she was only being consulted as needed.

Dr. Cooper: “I was told that reputation (at the scene) did not pronounce ay response. I gave permission to pronounce at 12:57 p.m.”

She told that for transport, the personal physician would have to take (control?) and would have to arrive with the patient. She was there when the ambulance arrived.

“I had already prepared a team. As the patient rolled past, I was introduced to Dr. Murray.” Dr. Cooper identifies him for the record. “…Asked him what happened. Dr. reported that the patient a (?) state of health, not ill, had been having trouble sleeping, that he was dehydrated and had not been sleeping. He reported that he had given the patient 2 mg of lorazepam [Ativan] and then later another dose. Did not mention that he had given the patient any other drugs.”

Murray stated he witnessed the arrest.

Dr. Cooper continued: “I asked about reported past drug use that he may have been taking other than the Valium and flomax. There was no seizure activity or if the patient had any chest pain before the arrest. Murray reported no seizure activity preceding the arrest.

Murray told her he [Jackson] took Valium and Flomax. It’s for urinary flow problems. Describes what Valium is.

DDA Q: Dr. Murray stated there was no report of chest pains or anything of that nature?

Dr. Cooper: Correct.

The patient had no sign of life. The pupils were fixed and dilated. The patient was dead on arrival to UCLA. Despite that condition, they attempted to revive the patient. No pulse; no other signs of trauma. Proceeded to administer other drugs. Patient is still being ventilated and CPR is continuing and cardiac monitors on the patient.

DDA Q: Did you ever note or feel or observe a pulse on the patient?

Dr. Cooper: “I did not. There was report of a pulse being felt on the nurse call sheet.”

She lists the “starter drugs” that were additionally given to Michael Jackson. They were not effective. Time spent on the patient, 1 hour, 26 minutes. She made the decision at 2:26 p.m. to call the patient deceased (stop treatment).

Blood was drawn from the patient for later medical testing. When Jackson arrived at UCLA, he was given a medical record number/name to track everything until the patient is formally registered. Gershwin was the name given to Michael Jackson, so that things can be recorded and labeled immediately so they can perform care.

DDA Q: What is a urinary catheter?

Dr. Cooper: Urinary catheter, it’s put on the penis. For those that are incontinent or when they are sedated.

She observed that when he came in, he had on a condom catheter.

DDA Q: At any time did Dr. Murray indicate that he had administered Propofol or any other benzodiazepine?

Dr. Cooper: No.

DDA Q: Have you ever been involved in or witnessed or was present in a situation where a medical doctor was administered in a home setting?

Dr. Cooper: No.

DDA Q: Are you familiar with Propofol?

Dr. Cooper: Yes, I’ve used it before. Used it for a procedural sedation. To like, set a broken bone. Also use it sometimes when patients are intubated, and we don’t want them to wake up. So, in a surgery situation where you want to put the patient under. Yes. I’ve seen it used in outpatient setting, but not in a home setting.

CROSS: Defense Attorney Flannagan.

Q: Do you yourself use Propofol?

Dr. Cooper: Personally, I’ve administer it patients.

As an ER physician, she doesn’t need to be licensed to use it. Any doctor can use any medication.

She pronounced the patient originally at 12:57 p.m.

There was a report by Dr. Murray that he had detected a pulse which was in conflict so she made the decision to attempt.

Q: There was one other person who said that they detected a pulse?

Dr. Cooper: “I can not confirm.”

Q: Was it Dr. Wang? Do you have your medical records with you? Did you write in the name of the person who felt the pulse?

Dr. Cooper: “No I did not.”

Q: Do you have BATE stamp 2132. I left mine in the car. Mr. Walgren is complying.

Dr. Cooper: “This is a nurse-scribed note” (about the feeling of a pulse).

I don’t know who reported the pulse. Dr. Murray was in the room and did have gloves on.

Q: Was Dr. Murray hands-on in the room?

Dr. Cooper: “When he arrived, yes.

“I was never able to confirm a pulse. Sometimes, people feel a pulse that isn’t there.

“I began questioning him as soon as he came in the door. He reported to me that he was there when the patient stopped breathing.”

Q: What is it that you see, when you witnessing an arrest? (snip)

Dr. Cooper: I heard him to mean that he saw the patient stop breathing, and administered CPR.

Q: Explain what she would consider “witnessing an arrest.”

Dr. Cooper: “It’s a common phrase that we would use regarding…. if I was in the room.

“My recollection, from my notes, that’s what I was told, that Dr. Murray witnessed the arrest.”

Q: Does it have the same meaning for all medical people?

Dr. Cooper: “I can’t speak for all people. But I would say for all physicians, they would say, ‘witnessed arrest.’” [Ed. note: Yes, a witnessed arrest is pretty much a universal term; any U.S.-educated physician, RN or other educated health care professional knows what this means. It is significant because you have a more accurate idea of how long the patient has been without pulse or spontaneous respirations.]

She did not ask Dr. Murray to elaborate what he meant.

She asked Dr. Murray if Jackson used recreational drugs.

“I had a 50 year old male that was dead. I didn’t know why. This is a common question.”

Q: Did not ask Dr. Murray what time he gave the lorazepam.

Dr. Cooper: “The exact time, no.”

She didn’t ask and wasn’t given any time frame.

[Defense attorney questions about drugs given to Michael Jackson]

Q: Isn’t the timing of the dose important?

Dr. Cooper: (She pauses before she answers) “I suppose you could say the timing would be important, if I was administering more sedative medication.”

Q: Which situations Propofol is used?

Dr. Cooper: (Amount used for procedural sedation, witness asks back). “Every patient is a little bit different.”

Q: Defense attorney mentions MJ’s weight—136 pounds, and asks how much for that weight.

Dr. Cooper: (Generally) 60 mg. is what she usually starts with.

Q: Asked if that is a little conservative.

Dr. Cooper: In MJ, it could produce sedation. Sometimes we have patients (where that happens).

Q: Defense attorney asks about 25 mg. dose

Dr. Cooper: Generally 60 mg would last 10 to 20 minutes. You wouldn’t expect a sedation (of) more than 5–10 minutes on only 25 mg. (of lorazepam).

“I don’t know how long that dose would last. A dose usually takes 20-30 minutes to wear off. Everyone’s different.”

“I wouldn’t know why someone would use that amount. I would not expect that 40 minutes later that medication would have an effect.”

Q by defense attorney, talking about 25 mg infusion over 3 to 4 minutes of time.

Dr. Cooper: I would not expect… (Illegible).

Q: “What if” scenario… that if gave that medication at 10 a.m., and at noon, the patient stopped breathing, you would not expect that it was the medication that caused it would you?

Dr. Cooper explains that if she was administering a sedative… she would be concerned…(illegible).

If you’re not giving continual medication, then the meds clear within 10 to 20 minutes.

Q: What is it that lets you wake the patient up so quickly? Asks if she had known Propofol was administered would she have treated any differently?

Dr. Cooper states she was treating a cardiac arrest.

[I think I have this next part correct.]

IF there was no other medication given (between the sedative and the arrest) she would not think the events that were related.

“If there is more than one sedative, there is an additive effect.”

If a one time dose of Propofol, I would not expect (an hour later) the Propofol would have any effect.


DDA Q: Mr. Flannagan wanted you to assume that Dr. Murray gave Propofol around 10:40 to 10:50 [a.m.], only 25 mg. However if that was not a truthful statement, your answer would (differ significantly).

DDA Walgren asks if the drugs on top of drugs were given to Jackson, would that be an accumulative effect?

Dr. Cooper replied that protocol requires certain monitoring to administer Propofol. There needs to be equipment available to monitor the airway. There must be heart monitoring. There has to be a staff person available as their only job to monitor the equipment/patient.

DDA Q: So that the patient doesn’t die?

Dr. Cooper: “Yes.”

RECROSS (defense)

Q: When (a physician) takes a history, it is for purpose of treatment?

Dr. Cooper: “Yes.”

She clarifies that when she asks for history of drug use, it’s relevant to the treatment at hand. She tries to get a medical history of the treatment at hand. (I don’t think I’m explaining this correctly. Editor’s note: Yes you are.)

Q: If you had known that Dr. Murray had been giving Michael Jackson Propofol all this time, that would not have made and difference as to the medical treatment you had given him?

Dr. Cooper: “No.”


Answering defense attorney’s question, Dr. Cooper said she would want to know about “any medication that was given to the patient. It would have been helpful. It would have given me a (fair) interpretation as to what had occurred.”

Witness #11—Dr. Thao Nguyen, cardiologist fellow, UCLA

DDA takes Dr. Nguyen through her credentials. Working as a cardiologist fellow on 6/25 for cardiac intensive care unit. How long?

Dr. Nguyen: Three and a half. In June I had finished my fellowship.

I am the one responsible for the whole unit the entire staff.

DA asks her role on June 25, 2009.

Dr. Nuygen: She was called to the ER by Richelle Cooper. When she came down Dr. Cooper was working on the patient. Dr. Cooper introduced her to the defendant. She met Dr. Murray in the ER. Asked Dr. Murray what happened.

“He told me he was the physician for the patient. The patient was preparing for a tour in England and had some difficulties sleeping and had been giving some medications for sleep. Asked him what did you give? He said, ‘4 milligrams of Ativan (lorazepam) via IV.’”

DDA Q: At that time were you aware of the condition of the patient?

Dr. Nuygen: “Yes.”

DDA Q: What follow up questions did you ask?

Dr. Nuygen: Asked him if he gave any other medications.

DDA Q: What did he tell you?

Dr. Nuygen: “No.”

DDA Q: What did you ask him next?

Dr. Nuygen: Did you try to reverse the effect of the Ativan? He said no.

Physician asked Dr. Murray what happened after he gave the medication. “He told me that he later found the patient not breathing. “Asked him when he found the patient not breathing. He said he did not know the time.

DDA Q: Did you ask him when he had the patient “down” [ed. note: not responsive, not breathing, possibly pulseless] when he made the 911 call.

Dr. Nuygen: “He said he did not have a watch and he did not have the time.”

(He didn’t know the time lapse.) Not able to give her any kind of time estimate as to when the drug was injected as to when the patient went down or when the patient was found not breathing.

DDA Q: Were there any other questions directed at Dr. Murray or does that sum it up?

Dr. Nuygen: Dr. Murray did tell us, he asked me to try to save the patient.

DDA Q: Did he ever mention giving the patient Propofol?

Dr. Nuygen: No.

DDA Q: Did he ever mention giving the patient other benzodiazepine medications?

Dr. Nuygen: “Absolutely not.”

She did [place] the balloon pump, after the time [of death] was already called. She didn’t think it would work based on all that had been done already. So, an agreement was made with Dr. Murray that if the balloon pump failed, then they would call the time of death.

When the time of death was called, she looked at her pager; she noticed the time was 1:35 p.m.

The afternoon break is called. More to come….

2:55 p.m.: Back in side the overflow room.

I see on the video Dr. Murray coming out of the jury room. He must have used the restroom in there. This is not unusual. During the Brown case, when the jury was not in the courtroom, court personnel, attorneys, etc. often used the jury room bathroom.

CROSS of Dr. Nuygen by defense attorney Flannagan (sp?)

Q: In your practice do you use the drug lorazepam?

Dr. Nuygen: “Yes sir.”

Q: Four milligrams of the drug, in a 136-pound patient, how long would it keep him to sleep.

Dr. Nuygen: It takes about 15 minutes or so (to put him to sleep?)

Q: How long would that last?

Dr. Nuygen describes the type of drug it [lorazepam/Ativan] is. It is used for anxiety. Also used to induce sleep.

Q: If use it to induce sleep in 136-pound patient, how long should it induce sleep for?

Dr. Nuygen: It’s half-life is about 14 hours [ed. note: Physicians’ Desk Reference states half-life of Ativan is 12 to 15 hours]. But you also have to take into consideration the (prior use of the drug in this patient.) She describes what half-life is. The time it takes for the medication to have 1/2 of the effect. [Ed. note: Dr. Nuygen is not totally accurate here. Half-life is the amount of time it takes for the body to metabolize and excrete the drug. Knowing a drug’s half-life helps doctors know how often to prescribe a medication. The drug may not have an effect on the patient at this time, but can contribute to an accumulative effect.]

Q: Defense attorney tries to give Dr. Nuygen a hypothetical. She comes back with questions of her own, saying she needs the information. We all laugh.

Dr. Nuygen replies that she would start with a very small dose, 1 mg. She would not start with 4 milligrams.

Dr. Nuygen: “I do not know anything about Dr. Cooper’s report.”

Q: So, you would start with 1 mg, possibly 2?

Dr. Nuygen insists that she would need to know about prior use of the drug with the patient.

She states if you keep using the same medication, you would have to use a higher amount because you reach a higher concentration. If the medication is given IV, depending on the metabolism through the liver.

“I am not aware of the blood level of this patient.”

Q: Would you expect the blood level 169, to produce sleep? (Obj. sustained.)

Dr. Nuygen: We usually do not measure that.

(Sprocket note: With her accent, it’s hard to understand her, even though she is speaking as clearly as she can.)

Dr. Nuygen: When you are given lorazepam or/and benzodiazepine, you are expected that you give a certain dose per weight. I thought I explained that it’s not known in relation to blood levels.

Q: Do you know anything about blood levels?

Dr. Nuygen: “Again, that’s not how we measure.”

Q: When you were taking to Dr. Murray, you said he had no concept of time. (Obj. sust.)

Dr. Nuygen: It’s not my conclusion. I am not saying as to how he appeared. This was his answer to my question.

Q: Did you have an impression of his emotional state?

Dr. Nuygen: “Do you want my opinion of his emotional state? He appeared devastated.

Q: What do you mean?

Dr. Nuygen: You want the definition of devastation?


Q: What was it that caused you to believe that he was devastated?

Dr. Nuygen: His facial expression.

Q: What about his voice?

Dr. Nuygen: “His voice was normal. He appeared calm. The voice was calm.”

Q: That facial expression, that just caused you to determine he was devastated.

Dr. Nuygen: “Yes.” (snip) The body language.

I did not ask him if he gave lorazepam. I asked him what drugs he gave.

I asked him what time and he could not give the time. He could not give an estimate.

This was the time I saw on my pager that I started talking to him 1:35 p.m.

The other doctors, I recognized Dr. Cooper. (There may have been other residents.)

Q: Was there a lot of confusion?

Dr. Nuygen: There was no confusion.

Q: Not at UCLA?

(Judge Pastor, I think states there was activity.)

Q: This questioning of Dr. Murray took place at 1:35 in the room where there were five or six people working on Michael Jackson.

Dr. Nuygen: Correct.

Q: And you’re asking him what time he gave what drugs. (Withdrawn).

It was at this time, did you think you had his full concentration?

Dr. Nuygen: Yes. He was not watching the patient while he talked to me. He had established eye contact with me throughout the conversation.

Q: How long was the conversation?

Dr. Nuygen: “About 2 minutes. He was standing at the left leg of Michael Jackson. The size of the room was about a quarter of this room.

“Dr. Cruz did not arrive until I asked him to come down.”

Q: Dr. Cruz was the one who used the balloon pump?

Dr. Nuygen: Dr. Cruz and I operated the balloon pump.

Q: And whose idea was it?

Dr. Nuygen: Dr. Cruz.

Q: You did the balloon pump?

Dr. Nuygen: “Yes. We continued on the request of Dr. Murray. He did not want us to give up.”

Q: When you learned there was Ativan in the patient, did you use any drugs to reverse the lorazepam? Just talking about this case. Did you use any drugs to reverse the effects of the lorazepam?

Dr. Nuygen: I asked why. Before I decided not to use, I asked Dr. Cooper, if lorazepam had been used/reversed. She said no. (So the time of reversal was lost.)

At the first time of distress, that’s when the drug needs to be administered.

Q: Dr. Murray didn’t give the order for the balloon pump did he?

Dr. Nuygen: “No. It was not his advice, to put in the balloon pump. Yes.”

Q: Without any indication?

Dr. Nuygen: The indication was cardiac failure.

Q: Did the balloon pump, that was the purpose, to reverse the drug induced cardiac arrest?

Dr. Nuygen: No sir. That’s not what I said. The indication of the balloon pump is to assist the heart when it was failing. But it doesn’t reverse the drug. It only assists the heart.

“Only when the window of time will allow (to use the reversal medication).”

Defense has no further questions.


DDA Q: When you were presented with a number of hypotheticals by Mr. Flannagan. When you would give 1 “p.o.” that would be giving it by mouth, orally, because it would be safer?

Dr. Nuygen: “Yes.”

DDA Q: A few more questions.

Dr. Nuygen clarifies that she clearly heard and understood Dr. Murray (when questioning him at the hospital).

That’s it for this witness

Witness #12—Dan Myers: Detective LAPD

Judge: Heard previous admonitions?

Myers: Yes your honor.

Background: Employed at LAPD. Currently work in Robbery-Homicide. Lead investigators.

DDA Q: Examination of Dr. Murray’s cell phone calls. Dr. Murray had 2 cell phones in his name. Is that correct?

Myers: “Yes.”

He examined the cell phone records provided by the vendors.

DDA Q: Focused the phone activity of June 25th 2009, from midnight 6/24h through the conclusion of 6/25.

Myers: Yes I did.

DDA Q: What was the purpose of contacting the phone numbers?

Myers: To identify the person or persons who were dialed.

Exhibit 20 on ELMO

DDA Q: First call—7:01 am call from 3747 (Dr. Murray) to 0266? Did you call that number 11/17th.

Myers replies 0266 belongs to Andrew Butler.

DDA Q: Important question. How long employed (by LAPD)?

Myers: A little over 23 years.

DDA Q: Did he verify was in fact his residence phone number? Did you ask him if he knew Conrad Murray?

Myers: He identified him as his friend and doctor.

DDA Q: Asked him (Butler) if he received a phone call…

Myers: He said he did not recall receiving a call from Dr. Murray. He said Dr. Murray was the physician.

DDA Q: 8:49 a.m. (702) 683-5217 from to 3747 . Did you dial that number?

Myers: Angelette Guild. Myers spoke with Ms. Guild. Asked if she knew Dr. Murray. She said he was a friend and her doctor. She said that she had received a letter in the mail that he would not be in the office and she called the doctor to inquire.

DDA Q: 9:23 a.m. 2909 from to Murray 0973. Who used the number 2090?

Myers: Spoke to a M. Bioni. Marissia, A friend of a daughter of her friend. Asked if her knowledge of Dr. Murray. She said that’s my friend’s father. She said, yes, that’s girlfriend Chanelle, in California.

DDA Q: 4955 to 9073 to Dr. Murray’s phone?

Myers: Called that number to identify the owner of the phone. Belonged to Acres Home and Cardiology Clinic in TX.

DDA Q: 10:22 a.m. 0124 phone call from to Dr. Murray.

Myers: Talked to a Dr. Prechad (sp?). She indicated that she in post-op room in hospital and ready to perform a procedure and she needed to know what kind of medication that patient was receiving. She needed to know if she should continue medication. She did talk to Dr. Murray and they discussed the care for this patient.

DDA Q: Was Dr. Murray able to assist her with the information?

Myers: He recalled the patient by memory. The patient was a few months post-op from a stent. Dr. Murray recalled the patient and the amounts of the medication. She indicated that in her short telephone call of less than 111 seconds, Dr. Murray was able to recollect the patient, provide her with necessary information as medications as well as info on the procedure conducted 2 months earlier.

DDA Q: 10:34 a.m. From Murray 3747, (619) 994-3223.

Myers: Called around the same time/date, called Stacey Howel-Ruggles. She said she knew Conrad Murray, and that she was his personal assistant.

DDA Q: Did you ask Ms. Howel-Ruggles if she had a conversation?

Myers: She said that she did remember the conversation, because it was an anniversary. DDA Q: Ms. Ruggles told you that Dr. Murray directing her, requesting of her, drafting a letter concerning the upcoming tour in London.

Did you ask her if he seem distracted during the phone call?

Myers: She did not indicate that he appeared to be distracted or tired.

DDA: Did you ask her directly—did Conrad Murray appear distracted? And what was her response?

Myers: That he did not appear to be distracted.

DDA Q: 11:07 a.m. Same Ruggles phone number. 11:18 placed call to 6802.

Myers: contacted that number 32-minute phone call.

DDA Q: Who was that? What is that location?

Myers: It’s Dr. Murray’s practice in Las Vegas. (Detective physically went to that location.)

DDA Q: That call duration to Global Cardiovascular.

11:26 another call to Conrad Murray.

Myers: A Miss Morgan. She confirmed that was her number.

Another call from Dr. Murray to a Robert Russell. It was his number. Dr. Murray was his cardiologist.

11:51 a.m. from Murray 093 to 3832. Myers contacted that number.

DDA Q: Who did you speak to?

Myers: Ms. Saday Adinie. She knew Conrad Murray.

(Objection to the conversation, but what the conversation was about is not relevant.)

She did in fact receive a phone call, and she spoke to Dr. Murray on the telephone.

DDA Q: 12:12 pm from Murray to Michael Admir Williams, and that we had testimony from him.

1:08 p.m. to 8070 from Murray to Ms. Nicole Alvarez.

Myers contacted Ms. Alvarez.

DDA Q: Did you determine how she knew him?

Myers: He is the father of her child.

DDA Q: How old is the child in common? (Sustained objection.)

End of direct.

Judge Pastor asks if defense had a few questions, no more than five minutes or if this would be a good time to take a break. They take a break. Pastor asks to see counsel at the bench.

9:30 a.m. resume tomorrow, January 7.



Friday, January 7, 2011

Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 4 Part I

Friday, January 7, 2011 (notes edited January 7, 2011 by Caligirl9 at 4 p.m.)
Correction edit by Sprocket 1/8, 9 p.m.

8:10 a.m.
I’m on the Orange Line bus, hoping I’ll make the 8:39 Red Line subway train. If I’m lucky, there won’t be a delay on the tracks like there was on Wednesday, when I almost missed getting into the morning session. Back during the first Spector trial, this is how I got to court every morning. I would exit the Red Line at the Civic Center station and take the Temple Street stairs. This entry to the Red Line is on Hill Street, halfway between Temple and First Street and right in front of the plaza with all the flags. From there it is a block walk through the plaza, down a series of steps that end right in front of the Broadway crosswalk. The rear entrance to the Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center is just a short walk from there. Entering the building this way, I miss going by the press cameras and groups of fans that come down to the courthouse.

Interestingly, the public lottery for seats is being held in the Temple Street Plaza in the front of the building. I don’t know if the Public Information Office (PIO) has ever done that before, During the Robert Blake trial and the Spector trials, the public lottery was held right outside the courtroom doors.

For those of you who are not familiar with the California Courts, LA County has the largest court system in the nation. There are approximately 50 court locations & buildings that the PIO office manages public and media requests/access.

Whenever there is a delay on the train, and they have to switch to a “single track” for north- and south-bound trains, I can’t help but think about the horrific train crash in Chatsworth a few years ago. That was a different rail system altogether, but it still gets me a little apprehensive.

In the past year, the LA Co. Superior court has installed a computer-based inquiry system in the lobby of the Criminal Justice Center (CJC) and in the Stanley Mosk Courthouse as well. You can use the computer screen to search for the courtroom and time that a particular case hearing/trial is being held. The CJC is not a new building. The elevators suck and as most of the country knows, California is majorly broke. There isn’t the money to install cameras in every courtroom like Florida has. Besides, it’s my opinion (and that of many I’ve talked to in the MSM) that some California judges like their anonymity. They want to be able to move about the public without being known as the judge who presided over a particular high-profile case. Judges have been threatened before, and although rare, there have been cases where defendants have tried to exact their revenge on the judge and/or prosecutors who tried their case.

If you are planning on coming down to the courthouse to try to get a public seat at this hearing, there are several low-cost parking lots a few blocks away. Low cost being $9:00 to $10.00 compared to the lots close to the courthouses which average around $18.00 or more for the day. If you can walk five blocks, there are even less expensive lots for around $5.00 or $7.00. If you decide to take a bus and/or train, a metro day pass is only $6.00

T&T writer CaliGirl9 has agreed to do what she can to edit my entries once they are posted. We haven’t worked out all the details yet, but hopefully this will help to get the prelim coverage in a more professional and readable format. I don’t expect her to correct EVERY spelling or grammatical error, but she will try to get the medical terms cleaned up that I totally mess up on. She will be adding to the entry a notation a date and time she performed her edit.

Only 2 more stops then Civic Center! Better close the laptop down and get ready to climb the steps.

9:20 a.m.
I’m inside the courtroom. It’s very quiet. There are only 9 other reporters here, beside myself. In the nice cushion seats to my left are the reporter from Splash who is reporting for The Sun in England and the very pretty, petite TMZ reporter. Ashley Banfield, a CNN reporter and Eric Leonard from KFI are the only others that I know by name. It’s a much different atmosphere than what I’m used to being in the courtroom. My seatmates have been very helpful when I miss the spelling of a witness’s name.

We have no sound or picture yet. I’m wondering if my friend Steven Mikulan from THE WRAP is going to make it today. Detective Myers will be back on the stand under cross and then it’s anyone’s guess who the next witness will be.

We have sound but no picture.

9:25 a.m. (starting early)

Witness #12: Detective Myers continues.

Cross by defense attorney Ed Chernoff

Q: Talk about when this whole case erupted.

Myers: This detective was out of town. (Objection beyond scope. Sustained.)

Q: What day did you come back from out of town? (Objection overruled.)

Myers: June 29th, actually returned (?). My partner, Det. Smith… He came back after first two trips back to Carolwood… (Objection sustained.)

Q: What documents Det. Myers, have you reviewed? Did you review documents? Did you review notes, what documents did you review? (Objection beyond scope.) Did you have a chance to review documents before you testified?

Myers: Yes. I continue to update myself with all aspects of the case. I refresh my memory.

Q: You also review you notes?

Myers: Yes.

Q: And witness statements you typed up yourself?

Myers: Yes

Q: Were you present when the Carolwood house was searched? (Objection beyond scope sustained.)
Chernoff is showing documents, showing defense C, D, E, and F.

Brazil has an objection to documents. These documents do not related to the scope to his testimony yesterday. Explains to Judge. Prosecution is still objecting about the documents.

(PIO Pat Kelly arrives.)

Attorneys still arguing whether or not these documents can be shown to the detective. They are market to be identified C, D, E, and F…but that’s it for now.

Attorneys continue to argue. Prosecution mentions there is over 7,000 pages of discovery.

(Sustain objection on relevance 352.)

Q: On part of your investigation have your prepared any documents of a chronology of events.

Myers: Yes.

Q: Was it a chronology or a time line.

Myers: I’ve prepared various documents.

Q: Have you prepared what would be termed a timeline of events including phone calls?

Myers: You’ll have to be more specific counselor as to your events.

Q: Chernoff asks did you prepare this document.

A: (regarding defense exhibit D) Yes, I had input on that timeline.

Defense exhibit E… Brazil objects to the three-page document.

Judge Pastor: We can move on.

Q: Chernoff asks can I show the detective this document? Did you have any input in the author of that timeline?

Myers: Yes.

Q: Referring to Def E, do you know when you had input into that timeline?

Myers: This would be every early on in the investigation. I can’t say precisely but the first week or two

Q: How about Def D?

Myers: I believe this was sometime later. I don’t have an actual recollection. One month, 2 months later. I don’t know.

Q: Was the processing from Def D of E, was that in related to your investigation.

Myers: As far as Def E, I think I may have authored it, and only on Def D I had input (??)

Q: Det. Smith and Martinez has already interviewed witnesses at the house? (Objection scope.)What was your reason in this investigation? Were there assignments? (Same objection your Honor. Obj. beyond scope.)

Judge Pastor: Det. Meyer is being called for only a small scope and not a general purpose.

Q: Were you in charge of the investigation?

Myers: No.

Q: Was there a detective who was in charge of making assigning responsibilities?

(Sprocket note: I miss the name of the commander. Mentions the detectives…)

Myers: “It was a collective effort.”

Q: Did Det. Smith make any of these phone calls?

Myers: Well, there was more than just phone calls. (Q? A?)

Q: Did Det. Smith or Martinez interview any of those individuals that we heard about yesterday? (Objection relevance; sustained) We looked at a series of phone calls, and you explained some of the numbers and people that were attached, and these were all the phone calls that we made on the morning of the 25th?

Myers: Yes.

Q: Did anyone else investigate that activity, other than you? (Objection relevance, sustained) Is the info you provide is complete and total? (Objection vague. Sustained. Refine question.)

Was there a phone call made on June 25th that you did not investigate?

Myers: “A range?”

Q: You investigation did go no further than the mid afternoon for June 25?

Myers: No.

Q: Was five more phone calls, was it two hours more? Was it up to midnight? How far did you investigate phone calls? How long a period of time? (Objection, sustained).

Judge Pastor: Refine please.

Q: Chernoff lists calls Myers testified about. And you investigated phone calls AFTER that time frame?

Myers: It was? (Confusion. Objection vague. Overruled.) There’s been investigation into those other phone calls.

Q: Asks about the notes for those phone calls. (Objection out of scope, sustained.)

Chernoff is trying to get more information. Apologizes to judge and says he will move on.

Judge Pastor: Mr. Low has to leave for another responsibility.

Q: Chernoff asks if he (Myers) interviewed any people involved in those phone calls. Meyers did take to people but is not sure if it was on the first or second trip to Texas.

Myers did speak to Sade Anding (interview) (Objection sustained.)

Judge Pastor: We have a problem. I think we need to move on.

Myers: Sade Anding was one of the people that he talked to and that she was the phone call of 11:51. Yes. Misstates. The call was to Miss Anding, not from.

Q: And this is the person you interviewed her in Texas?

Myers: Yes.

Q: And have you interviewed her again?

Myers: Yes.

Q: When?

Myers: Last night.

DDA Brazil: no redirect.

Witness # 13 Sade Anding

Background established by DDA: In Feb 2009 where employed?

Anding: Sullivan Steak house.

DDA Q: Where?

Anding: (Tx?) She was a cocktail waitress. “I was there for six months at that time; six-eight months.

DDA Q: Describe the steak house. Which part did you work as? (Objection relevance, sustained.)Restaurant or lounge? (Objection sustained.)

While working as a cocktail waitress, did you meet someone who identified himself as Conrad Murray.

Anding: Yes.

DDA Q: Do you see him? (Anding identifies Dr. Murray.) Do you recall when it was you first met Conrad Murray, what month?

Anding: It was after Valentine’s Day. I just know I had started there two/three months [prior].

DDA Q: So the latter portion of February or the beginning of March?

Anding: Yes.

DDA Q: How did you meet? (Objection, overruled.)

Anding: Met him at the restaurant? (Objection, sustained.)

DDA Q: When you met Conrad Murray at Sullivan Steak House was he working there, or ????

Anding: Answers she met him at the restaurant.

DDA Q: Did your first meeting with [Murray] at the restaurant stand out in your mind? (Objection, sustained.) Was there something unusual about your meeting? (Objection, vague.)

Judge Pastor: Do you have an offer of proof?

DDA (EC): I do your honor. Approach the bench.

(Still at bench.)

(Sprocket comment: Just like the prosecution was trying to prevent the defense from asking questions of Detective Myers, the defense is trying to prevent the prosecution from asking questions of Ms. Anding.)

(It’s 10 am and we wait. This is a long sidebar. Overruled!)

DDA Q: From that first meeting with Dr. Murray, did you see him with some frequency? (Objection sustained.) When you first meet him did you see him on other occasions?
Did Dr. Murray refer to you as his girlfriend? Were you Conrad Murray’s girlfriend?


Anding: Yes.

DDA Q: Ms. Anding, in June 2009, was your telephone number (837) 366-3832?

Anding: Yes.

DDA Q: On June 25th 2009 did you receive a phone call from Conrad Murray?

Anding: Yes.

DDA Q: What time was it your time in Houston [when Dr. Murray called]?

Anding: I know it was 12:30 about. It was in the afternoon yes.

DDA Q: You were on your way out? (Objection sustained.) Did Dr. Murray telephone you on your cell phone, residence or landline?

Anding: Cell phone.

DDA Q: What did he say when he first spoke?

Anding: He told me he it was Conrad; he said “Hi,” and “How are you?”

DDA Q: Did you recognize his voice?

Anding: Yes.

DDA Q: He identified himself and asked you how you were. Did he tell you how he was doing?

Anding: He told me I was doing well, then I cut him off and I started talking. I said, “Well, let me tell you about my day.”

(Sprocket note: She basically interrupted him.)

Just talked about how down and that I had a job. (Sprocket note: can’t hear her at all!) Before that time I’d seen him was in May.

DDA Q: What day?

Anding: May 23rd. In Houston.

DDA Q: [Referring back to June 25 phone call] So you interrupt Dr. Murray and start chatting about your day and going on in your life?

Anding: Yes.

Anding said that she heard another phone go off. Then mumbling voices and then the phone cut off (?)

(Sprocket note: not sure if I have this correct.)

DDA Q: For a while into the conversation, you realized that he wasn’t there because he wasn’t saying anything to you? [for five minutes?] (Objection sustained.)
Do you have any way of knowing when he stopped listening to you?

Anding: No.

DDA Q: Did you ever say anything specific when you realized that he wasn’t saying anything?

Anding: “Just hello, hello, hello. Are you there are you there? (But she didn’t get any response back from Dr. Murray.)

DDA Q: When you heard the mumbling on the other end, did you recognize the voice [as being Dr. Murray]?

Anding: No.

DDA Q: You said you tried to call Dr. Murray’s phone back and you got [a] response and [but] you got no response back? Was that unusual?

Anding: Yes. Last time I talked to Dr. Murray was when LAPD came to my house. It was sometime in 2009.

DDA Q: She was attending an event when the police came in Houston?

Anding: Yes.

DDA Q: Did you go to a sporting event?

Anding: Yes. A baseball game.

DDA Q: At some time did you learn that police that wanted to speak to you?

Anding: I called Conrad Murray and told him that the police came to my house. He said that he was sorry to have put me in that position. He made a request for her to call an attorney afterward.

DDA Q: Asked if she spoke to Dr. Murray’s attorney the next day. (Objection sustained.)

Defense cross-examination Chernoff.

Q: Ms. Anding, how are you when did you get to LA [to testify in court]? Did you fly yourself in?

Anding: No. She flew into LA on County’s dime, spent the night last night and will fly out today (Friday).

Q: Was there anything else that you told Ms. Brazil today that you did not say previously?

Anding: No.

Chernoff: That’s it.

Court calls witness #14: Bridgette Morgan.

Chernoff: This is Mr. Low’s witness and he walked away with all our stuff.

Judge Pastor: We were notified about Mr. Low’s other commitment. (Attorneys arguing about notification; I think Walgren keeps saying “I called you.”)

Judge Pastor: TIME OUT! Do we know if Mr. Low can be called back? Let’s take 15 minutes.

12:06 pm
I’m in the cafeteria, wolfing down my lunch before I do some editing then posting the testimony of the last three witnesses, the last being Nicole Alvarez. I don’t think I’ve heard as many “I don’t recall” answers in my life!

Morgan questioning begins. DDA Brazil direct.

DDA Q: Do you recognize Conrad Murray?

Morgan: Yes. (Identifies the defendant.)

DDA Q: Ms. Morgan, when did you first meet Dr. Murray?

Morgan: In 2003.

DDA Q: Where?

Morgan: At a club. (snip) Developed a social relationship with him.

DDA Q: Ms. Morgan, I ask you what your telephone number was in June 2009? [Exhibit 20 on ELMO.] (310) xxx-5868 (not sure if this is right)

(Brazil points out phone number and agrees that’s it.)

DDA Q: Did you call Conrad Murray on June 25th?

Morgan: Yes.

DDA Q: Did you actually speak to Dr. Murray when you made that call to him?

Morgan: No.

Witness #15—Nicole Alvarez

(Sidebar at bench. Someone, an attorney for Alvarez introduced. A reporter whispers to me she looks like she might be from the Dominican Republic.)

Alvarez identifies Dr. Murray for the record.

DDA Q: When did you first meet?

Alvarez: I don’t recall exactly, around 2005. (snip) Met him in Las Vegas.

DDA asks where.

Alvarez: Specifically? I met him in a club.

DDA Q: Were you employed at the club?

Alvarez: Yes I was.

DDA Q: What position? (Objection, sustained.)

When you met Conrad Murray in the club, was he a guest, or was he an employee?

Alvarez: I believe from my understanding he was a guest.

DDA Q: When you met Dr. Murray, did he introduce himself or did you introduce yourself? Or was there some other way?

Alvarez: I don’t recall exactly how that came about.

DDA Q: After you met him the first time, did you maintain contact with him via phone or in person?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Did you give him your phone number when you met him at the club?

Alvarez: I don’t recall exactly.

DDA Q: When you met him where were you living at the time in Los Angeles?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Did you commute from LA to Las Vegas to your job?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Developed an intimate (personal?) relationship? When?

Alvarez: I don’t recall exactly.

DDA Q: How long after you met did you start a personal relationship with him?

Alvarez: Quite some time had past. I can’t recall how long. It’s something that developed over time.

DDA Q: Over that time, would you see him in person?

Alvarez: At times. Not all times.

DDA Q: Did that relationship develop in Las Vegas?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Did it also develop in Los Angeles?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Your present address since 2005 have you always lived in Los Angeles?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Would it be correct to say you were involved in a personal relationship on 2009?

Alvarez: I assume so yes.

DDA Q: In 2007?

Alvarez: I can’t recall.

DDA Q: When you developed this relationship, did he inform you that he was still married?

(Sprocket note: I think there are several objections here along this line of questioning.)

At some point during the relationship did you find out that he was married? (Objection, sustained.)
During months of April, May, June of 2009, was Dr. Murray living at your residence?

Alvarez: Can you clarify the question please?

(Sprocket note: From this point on, it was PAINFUL! She kept asking for the question to be repeated, or didn’t understand the question, or said she wanted to be as accurate as possible.)

DDA Q: Let’s start with April 2009? Was Dr. Murray living at your residence?

Alvarez: I’m trying to answer accurately. I wouldn’t describe it as permanent residence.

DDA Q: How would you describe it? (Did you know where he lived?)

Alvarez: I would assume in Las Vegas.

(Sprocket note: Several more questions along this vein.)

DDA Q: Do you have a son with Dr. Murray?

Alvarez: Yes. Born in March, 2009.

DDA Q: In April 2009, how much time was Dr. Murray was spending in LA?

Alvarez: I don’t recall how much time.

DDA Q: One night a month?

Alvarez: No. It was quite frequent.

DDA Q: One week?

Alvarez: At times.

DDA Q: Two weeks?

Alvarez: At times.

DDA Q: Three weeks?

Alvarez: I’m not comfortable with three weeks. (DDA asks another question to describe how often he was staying at her residence.) I think you’re asking me to give you an example, correct?

DDA Q: I’m asking you how frequently Dr. Murray was staying at your residence?

Alvarez: I think it’s fair to say that he was staying 2 weeks out of the month.

DDA Q: When he was not there, where did he stay?

Alvarez: I do not know.

DDA Q: When he left your house you didn’t know where he stayed?

Alvarez: No.

(Sprocket note: DDA questions about her just giving birth in April, and she is fighting/deflecting answering every question. I can’t keep up.)

Alvarez: When I mentioned two weeks, it wasn’t two consecutive weeks. So I can not say that I saw him consecutively for two weeks every single day.

DDA Q: So he would come [during April], Dr Murray would stay overnight two, three, four days at a time, go someplace else you’re not sure where, and then he would return and stay again?

Alvarez: That sounds about right. Two, three days, but not three, four days.

(Question again about not knowing where he stayed when he wasn’t with her.) Well, I don’t have expectations of Dr. Murray, so that’s fair to say. That’s just a rule that i live by.

DDA Q: When Dr. M would spend two, three days with you, would he let you know that he would be away from you and your son for a period of time? (Objection 252 sustained.)

During the month of April, 2009, you would not know if Dr Murray would be at your house?

Alvarez: Could you repeat the question?

DDA Q: You were not sure from one day to the next, you were not sure if Dr Murray would be there from one day to the next.?

Alvarez: Can you repeat the question?

Judge Pastor: You’ve got to pay attention.

DDA Q: Miss Alvarez according to your memory, Dr. Murray would spend a few days at your residence and come back?

Alvarez: Correct.

DDA Q: Did you have any idea if you knew when he would be there or away from your residence?

Alvarez: I would not have an idea.

DDA Q: In May of 2009, did Dr. Murray maintain the same type of schedule, as in April?

Alvarez: That’s fair to say.

DDA Q: Did Dr. Murray spend the same amount of time in May as in April as to the same stretch of time?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: In June of 2009, did he (maintain the same amount of time)?

Alvarez: That’s fair to say.

DDA Q: In May, did he tell you when he would be returning?

Alvarez: No.

DDA Q: In June (same question).

Alvarez: No.

DDA Q: During that time, would you be in telephone contact with him?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Would he let you know where he was?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: But you spoke with him every day?

Alvarez: I never said I spoke to him every day.

(Sprocket note: More questions I miss.)

DDA Q: What month in 200, would you say that Dr. Murray spent the most amount of time in LA with you?

Alvarez: I’d say, June of 2009.

DDA Q: Did Dr Murray spend more time at your residence in June than in May?

(Sprocket note: Missed answer)

Did Dr. Murray spend more time at your residence in June than in May? (Brazil mentions her child.)

Alvarez: Not June, but in March, he started to spend more time in LA than before.

DDA Q: Was he paying your rent in March 2009? (Sprocket note: I don’t get answer)

Alvarez: It was around 2,500 per month. (Sprocket note: Not positive about that amount.)

He wasn’t responsible for my rent. Everything was in my name. I was responsible for my rent. If he wanted to help me that was up to him.

He helped her at times but she was working as an actress, shooting various projects.

At that time, I was working more than ever.

DDA Q: During March of 2009, was Dr. Murray working with Mr. Jackson as his personal physician?

Alvarez: March, 2009, I can’t recall exactly.

DDA Q: When did you become aware that he was working for Mr. Jackson?

Alvarez: I can’t recall exactly.

DDA Q: Were your pregnant with your son?

Alvarez: Noooooo, I was not pregnant.

[She] learned prior to the time she got pregnant. “Actually, I learned way before I got pregnant. I can’t remember an exact date.”

DDA Q: Can you give me a year?

Alvarez: If I back track by month, it was very early on when she was pregnant. One month.

DDA Q: Ms. Alvarez, you take the time that you need. When did you first learn that you were pregnant?

(Sprocket note: She can’t answer. I can see her hands in her lap and she’s counting on her fingers! Oh. My. G!)

Alvarez: “June of….”

DDA Q: 2008? When did you first learn that Dr. Murray was working for Mr. Jackson?

Alvarez: I don’t recall.

DDA Q: In June of 2008 were you spending time with Dr Murray?

Alvarez: At times.

DDA Q: At that time did he tell you he was working for Mr. Jackson?

Alvarez: I don’t recall.

DDA Q: When you were working in Las Vegas, did at some time he tell you he was working for Michael Jackson?

Alvarez: That’s fair to say at some point that I became aware that he was working for Michael Jackson.

DDA Q: When was that?

Alvarez: From my recollection, it was here in Los Angeles.

DDA Q: When he was staying with you, did you become aware that he was providing care for Michael Jackson at Carolwood Drive?

Alvarez: No. You’re asking me—

DDA Q: Did Dr. Murray ever tell you that he was providing care for Mr. Jackson in his home?

(Sprocket note: I roll my eyes. I can’t believe this.)

DDA Q: Let me make it simple for you. (Asks question in a simpler way.)

Alvarez: Yes. That was my assumption.

(Sprocket note: Lord.)

DDA Q: Did he ever tell you (that he was providing care for Michael Jackson)?

Alvarez: I knew he was his personal physician.

DDA Q: What did he tell you?

Alvarez: Absolutely nothing. (snip) He’s a professional man, and I know my place and it’s not my position to know his patients, his business or his whearabouts or anything of that sort. (snip) I was aware that, when Dr. Murray was in LA, he was at times to my belief, with Michael. As to what capacity, I [didn’t know anything about that].

DDA Q: (Do you) know if he was treating anyone else while in LA?

Alvarez: Not to my knowledge.

DDA Q: Describe to me, Dr. Murray’s schedule, during the time that he was staying with you in April. Did he go (to Michael’s house) during the day, did he go in the evening?

Alvarez: During the best of my recollection, it would be in the nighttime.

DDA Q: So Dr. Murray would be there with you in the day? You had a baby…?

Alvarez: Fair to say.

DDA Q: What time did he leave your residence?

Alvarez: I would say, approximately on average, I used to put my son to sleep at 9 o’clock. It was never at the same time, on an average it would be 9 o’clock sometimes ten.

DDA Q: And when would he return? The next day?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: What time did he return?

Alvarez: It was always different times, it was never the same. I would say usually it was in the morning. 7, 8 , 9, 10… there wasn’t a regular pattern. There wasn’t a time that he would DEFINITELY return every morning.

DDA Q: When he returned, what would he do, normally?

Alvarez: He would relax, go to the gym, and sleep….sleep for a large majority of the day.

DDA Q: Did you have dinner together?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: So that was typical routine for him that he would leave 9 10 o’clock, and that he would return some time the next morning.

Alvarez: That would be fair to say.

(DDA questions now about the London tour and upcoming trip.)

Alvarez knew that Dr. Murray would be going to England. She was invited to go along with him. Doesn’t recall when she was invited.

DDA Q: Were you excited about the trip?

Alvarez: Definitely! Definitely.

DDA Q: Did you know how long you would be gone?

Alvarez: He never told me exactly how long (we would be gone), I knew it would be …….that we would be home for the holidays.

She had not made any plans (regarding a question to give up her apartment or not) for the trip. The baby is mentioned. “I was concerned. I wanted to go. I had a baby. “

DDA Q: The baby might have prevented you from going on the trip? Childcare, traveling.

She just wasn’t sure that it was in the best interests of the child, correct?

Alvarez: Yes.

(Sprocket note: So he had made arrangements for her to go…)

DDA Q: In May to June, he said that there would be packages coming to the house?

Alvarez: Yes. He didn’t really say anything, other than if the packages came, to bring them inside. But if they came to my unit, I would bring them inside the unit. So, (he said) just to be ware that they were coming, to bring them inside and to put hem aside for him.

DDA Q: Did he tell you what they were?

Alvarez: No.

DDA Q: Did he tell you that they were important?

Alvarez: No. He would just let me know, out of respect to me, that there was a delivery coming…

DDA Q: Describe your apartment and deliveries. Did you receive packages at your residence that were addressed to Dr. Conrad Murray?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Was it on a regular basis?

Alvarez: I don’t recall it being on a regular basis, I just know it had been a few times.

DDA Q: What type of things were they?

Alvarez: I don’t know what they were.

DDA Q: Did you ever open any packages that came to Dr. Conrad Murray?

Alvarez: Absolutely not.

DDA Q: Some of the packages were left in the lobby?

Alvarez: I can recall one or two times where I was going for a walk with my child… and I would always check and sometimes there would be something there.

She testifies there would be mail addressed to him, addressed to him in her mail box, but there would be packages left in a common area.

DDA Q: And sometimes packages left at her doorstep?

Alvarez: Yes. (snip) He would always inform me if there was something coming as I recall.

DDA Q: Did he ever tell you what these packages were or what they were for?

Alvarez: No.

DDA Q: Did you ever ask?

Alvarez: No.

(DDA prepares to show witness exhibits.)

(Sprocket note: I can’t believe she is struggling to answer these questions. They’re not difficult.)

DDA Q: Like to show you a series of documents and see if you recognize them. Exhibit people’s 22.

This is a FedEX receipt dated …. do you see 1540 Sixth Street?

Alvarez: Yes, her address in 2009.

DDA Q: Do you recognize that signature?

Alvarez: It very well could be, it looks like my signature. (Sprocket note: Holy cow.)

DDA Q: Do you see where it says recipient, care of Nicole Alvary?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Do you see where it says Applied Pharmacy Services?

Alvarez: Yes. But she didn’t necessarily pay any attention to that.

(Sprocket note: Another prosecution question I miss.)

Alvarez: You have to think of the big picture here. I have a lot of things going on. I sign for it. I may have glanced at it, and maybe read a paper in detail, for something that as for me. (But if it was for Dr. Murray she didn’t pay much attention.)

DDA Q: But you would have just confirmed that it belongs to you or Conrad Murray?

Alvarez: That’s correct.

(DDA shows Exhibit 23, a FedEx receipt dated April 29, 2009, addressed to her apartment on 6th street. Signed for by a P. Maria.)

DDA Q: Do you know a P. Maria that resided at that residence?

Alvarez: No. I’m the only one who resided at that residence.

DDA goes over the part of the receipt that says C/O Nicole Alvery. The witness verifies that her name is spelled wrong with a Y instead of a Z.

DDA shows a May 1st, 2009 Fed Ex receipt to Alvarez’ apartment, c/o her from the same pharmacy to Dr. Conrad Murray.

Alvarez: That’s correct.

DDA shows witness a FedEx receipt dated May 13th 2009. Alvarez doesn’t recognize the signature on that receipt. DDA notes same shipper applied Pharmacy Services. Alvarez says there’s not a doorman…

DDA Q: Was there anyone beside her who was living or staying with her? Did your mom or someone helping you with the baby.

Alvarez: Absolutely. There was always someone coming (helping out).

DDA Q: So, possibly one of those people could have signed for a package that could have signed for it? (Objection, sustained.)

Did anyone tell you that was a guest at your apartment sign for a package?

Alvarez: Not that I recall.

DDA shows another FedEx package to Dr. Murray c/o her dated May 15.

DDA question as to if there were packages left that she did not sign for. Alvarez says, perhaps, yes, that she would come home and there would be a package left.

DDA shows another package, same shipper. I miss the date. This oneAlvarez answers, “Perhaps she did that.”

Another package; same shipper—Applied Pharmacy Services. Same thing. Alvarez says “I think that’s correct.”

DDA Q: Is Conrad Murray currently staying at your apartment?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Do you recognize Mr. Chernoff sitting here to my left?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: Did you contact Ed Chernoff, for legal advice after Michael Jackson died?

Alvarez: No. There would be no reason to contact Mr. Ed Chernoff for personal reasons.

DDA Q: Why did you contact Mr. Chernoff?

Alvarez: I contacted Ed Chernoff after I had received a subpoena.

DDA Q: Why did you do that?

Alvarez: I thought it would be a reasonable thing to do. I think any thinking person would do that.

I don’t recall exactly how the exchange (as to how she reached out to Ed Chernoff via Conrad) for legal advice. I just wanted to know what it (the subpoena) was.

DDA Q: Did he explain that to you?

Alvarez: I don’t know. I don’t think he did? He made a referral. He just put me in touch with Joseph Low.

DDA Q: Mr. Chernoff gave you Mr. Low’s phone number? Did you come to court as requested back in 2009?

Alvarez: Absolutely.

DDA Q: And Mr. Low came with you?

Alvarez: Yes.

DDA Q: You also reached out to in 2010 to an attorney.

Alvarez: I believe so, yes.

DDA Q: And who was that attorney? (Sprocket note: Alvarez is vague; I can’t hear the answer.)

Was that Mr. Penna? (sp?)

Alvarez: I think so…

(Another question I totally miss.)

(DDA Brazil takes a moment to confer with DDA Walgren.)

DDA Q: When you began an intimate and personal relationship with Conrad Murray, were you aware that he had six other children? (Objection! Sidebar at the bench.)

(Sprocket note: It’s 11:45 am. This direct exam felt like pulling teeth.)

DDA Q: Dr. Conrad Murray is the father of your son?

Alvarez: Absolutely.

DDA: No more questions.

No cross.

(KFI reporter Eric Leonard rushes out of the room to go report on air. We still wait for the side bar.)

Someone tells me the outfit Alvarez is wearing is very nice. Apparently, she looks pretty well dressed. I’m told she’s a pretty girl. Her address at that time was in Santa Monica near the Promenade. Nice area.

1:30 p.m. return for the afternoon session.

Out in the hallway, I’m about the first one out and I see her up close. She’s a very slender woman, maybe a size 2 or 4, and it is an unusual outfit. Can’t even describe it. She’s attractive, but not stunningly “beautiful.”

Whew! I finished that edit in just in time to get back upstairs.


Friday, January 7, 2011

Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 4 Part II

January 7, 2011 afternoon session. Edited by Caligirl 9 at 5 p.m.
Correction edits by Sprocket 1/8 @ 9 p.m.

It’s 1:30 and we see the courtroom. One of the attorneys is talking to my favorite court reporter. I’m pretty sure that’s Mavis I see up on the screen.

Nicole did say “Gentlemen’s Club.” as to where she worked and met him. I missed the “Gentleman” part of the answer!

Witness #16—Elissa Fleak
DDA established where witness is employed and what job entails—she is an LA County Coroner Investigator. Performs investigations at scenes, notify family, write reports for pathologists, and assist investigation. Eight years (in job). Was working in that capacity in June 2009.

DDA Q: Learned of the death of entertainer Michael Jackson?

Fleak: Yes I did.

DDA Q: In response to learning that information did you respond to UCLA medical center?
What time did you respond?

Fleak: Can I check my notes?

DDA Q: Yes.

Fleak: I arrived at hospital at 17:20 hours.


Fleak: Yes.

DDA Q: 5: 20 pm?

Fleak: Correct.

DDA Q: At your arrival to UCLA did you make physical observations of the decedent?

Fleak describes what she did and what her duties were: To perform an external body examination. “Anything I could infer, to the cause of death for my report.

DDA Q: Looking for wounds, knife wounds?

Fleak: Yes. Did not find anything at that time.

Investigator Fleak obtained 4 vials of blood from UCLA staff labeled Gershwin. [ed. note: recall explanation pseudonym from yesterday’s testimony]

DDA gives label number. Fleak replies, “Yes. Correct.”

DDA Q: Were those vials of blood logged into the coroner’s office?

Fleak: Yes.

DDA Q: Was to preserve them?

Fleak: Yes for toxicology purposes.

DDA: On that date did you respond to that location of 100 N Carolwood, LA?

Fleak: Yes. After ER room, I went to the house to observe the scene investigation.
She specifically did an investigation of that bedroom area.

(DDA puts up exhibit on the ELMO. Fleak identified where she was told the decedent was before taken to the hospital. Photo of the two tables, night stands; she identifies them.)

DDA Q: People’s 9. Recognize?

Fleak: Yes. The diagram of the second floor of the house.

DDA Q: Depicts the bedroom you just described?

Fleak: Yes.

DDA Q: At this point did you begin taking photographs and documenting some of the items you found relevant to pertaining to cause of death.

Fleak: Yes.

DDA Q: Begin with any prescription?

Fleak: Yes, I began with several pill bottles on the nightstand right next to the bed.

DDA Q: Did you document inventory?

Fleak: Yes I did.

DDA Q: Documented on a Coroner’s 3A form?

Fleak: Yes I did.

DDA Q: Do you remember what prescriptions you recovered?

Fleak: Yes I do.

DDA Q: What did you recover?

Fleak: Flomax, clonazapam, diazapam, lorazapam, tomazapam, trazadone, and tiziandine. [ed. note: will research and clarify for accuracy]

Also collected several pill bottles, tubes of lotion. Hydrocodone [ed. note: Vicodin]. Tube of Lidocane lotion that was it on the nightstand [ed. note: Lidocaine lotion may have been used to reduce pain when starting IV].

DDA Q: How about Benoquin?

Fleak: Yes. There was Benoquin.

DDA Q: Lotion in a tube?

Fleak: Yes it was.

DDA Q: Did you document who prescribed?

Fleak: reports diazepam (Valium), Flomax, Lidocaine lotion, lorazepam (Ativan), temazepam (Restoril, a sleep aid) prescribed by Dr. Murray. [ed. note: A cardiologist prescribing a med for prostatic hypertrophy?] Clonazepam (antianxiety), trazodone (antidepressant) by a Dr. Metzger, name missed prescribed by Dr. Klein [ed. note: presume Benoquin as it’s a medication used for vitiligo]

DDA shows Investigator Fleak photos of a night stand, close up of table next to night stand,

DDA Q: Do you see the two separate tables? (Shows photo. Line of questioning and answers describes another photo of area where prescription bottles were, in a basket in the lower shelf of one of the tables, as well as other areas of the table.

(There is a tube of Lidocaine lotion on table. There was a syringe on the table and one on the ground, next to the bed.)

The plunger and the top part of the syringe (to which you would attach a needle)?

Fleak: Yes.

DDA shows new photos of syringes, of oxygen tank, other items, taking Investigator Fleak through identifying photos with more items, including an IV bag with connected tubing.

Fleak described some of the equipment. Blue “Ambu” bag goes to a nasal cannula. [ed. note: Actually it would be connected directly to oxygen tubing and not a nasal cannula.]

Fleak notes “I did describe it as a broken’ syringe because the two pieces are separated from each other. I should have …they’re not broken.”

Syringe on the table, needle on the floor. DDA asks Fleak if they may have been together they may not have been. Fleak answers correct.

DDA Q: Was there also an IV stand—(interrupted)

(Sprocket note: I think someone was knocking at door—bailiff got up.)

DDA Q: [Regarding location of IV stand] If you were facing at the bed, at the foot of the bed, the head of the bed it would be to your right?

Fleak: Yes. [ed. note: This makes sense, as the IV was positioned in Jackson’s left leg.]

(Sprocket note: I’m starting to yawn. I got less than four hours of sleep last night. It’s going to be a long two hours now.)

DDA is showing Investigator Fleak photos of nightstand and IV stand and IV kit attached and asks her to identify.

Fleak. Yes. She describes where everything is. “It’s a saline bag” [ed. note: IV solution]

DDA Q: In addition to observations of what you described, did you locate a jug that appears to be a jug of urine?

Fleak: There was a chair behind and to the left of you that had a bottle of urine and several urine pads.

DDA identifies Peoples 35.Fleak identifies the items in the photo.

DDA Q: Medical-type container for holding urine?

Fleak: Correct.

DDA Q: Recovered an open box of disposable hypodermic needles?

Fleak: Yes. It was on the two tables as well.

DDA Q: Recovered IV catheters?

Fleak: Yes.

DDA Q: Is it all documented in your form?

Fleak: Yes it is.

DDA Q: Recovered an empty vial of Propofol and (garbled; could be midazolam

or lorazepam, both of which were given and are given IV)?

Fleak replies vials were found between the two nightstands. DDA presents more photographs for Investigator Fleak

DDA Q: Was this an empty full, partially full bottle of Propofol?

Fleak: It was empty. (She verifies where the Propofol vial was on the floor.)

DDA Q: 200 mg bottle of Propofol?

Fleak: Yes.

DDA Q: Now did you return to the location of 100 N Carollwood on June 29th 2009?

Fleak: Yes.

DDA Q: Continued your investigation?

Fleak: Yes.

DDA shows Fleak some photos for clarification.

DDA Q: Describe if you will, if you would walk from this area, bedroom 2 closed.

Fleak: It’s an attached room lined with wooden closets lined with wood.

DDA Q: About the size of a regular room?

Fleak: Yes.

(She went into this closet area to investigate.)

DDA Q: Recovered items that were logged into evidence? Fleak says yes.

Was that logged (the syringes) as medical evidence #1?

Fleak: Yes.

Describes how items were logged into evidence and the numbers given.

People’s 39, 40, 41, 42 43 44 45 photos presented and Fleak describes.

Ppl 39. This is the closet area. Wooden cabinet area. Shows evidence that she collected on 29th. Showing ppls 40 close up of same items. Some bags as well as some plastic bags containing items.

DDA Q: Did you remove those items from that cabinet and inventory them on that day?

Fleak: Yes I did.

DDA Q: Is this a photo of some of those items after being laid out on a table?

Fleak: Yes it is.

DDA Q: Describe items.

Fleak: Black square bag with a zipper, recovered from cabinet area. One dark blue bag with a zipper with “Costco” on the outside. Light blue and brown colored bag with a zipper with “baby essentials” bag; misc. medical supplies.

DDA Q: As well as creams?

Fleak: Yes bag full of Benoquin lotions. Yes, those are bottles, tubes of lotions.

DDA Q: Did you empty and inventory the contents of these items?

Fleak: Yes I did.

DDA Q: This box, a black pressure cuff? Bottles?

Fleak: Three bottles of Lidocaine. Vials of Lidocaine. [ed. note: Differs from Lidocaine cream/lotion in that this solution is added to Propofol to reduce pain upon injection.]
Fleak checks notes to remember if the bottles were full or not. “Two were empty and one of them had some liquid in it. All three of them had been opened.” They were 30 milliliter bottles. Large dark blue Costco bag.

DDA Q: Did you find saline bag that had been apparently cut open?

Fleak: Yes I did.

DDA Q: Find anything in that saline bag?

Fleak: A bottle of Propofol inside that cut-open bag.

DDA shows Fleak a photo.

Flea: Yes (that’s what she found).

DDA Q: Can you describe what I’m showing; can you describe?

Fleak: It’s a slit in the bag.

DDA Q: Did you take this photograph? That was the Propofol bottle that was inside the IV bag?

Fleak: Yes.

DDA Q: In addition the IV bag with the slit in and the 100 mg. Propofol you mentioned, what else did you find?

Fleak: 20 ml bottle of Propofol bottle. Back to 100 ml bottle; it was open and had liquid in it. Twenty ml. open with liquid in it. Ten ml. lorazepam (Ativan) bottle open with liquid in it. Two bottles of midazalom (Versed) 10 ml both open, both had liquid in them.

DDA Q: Was there any other items in there?

Fleak: A bloody piece of gauze, a bag of miscellaneous packaging, medical packaging and a finger pulse monitor.

Fleak also did same inventory of the light blue and brown “baby essentials” bag.

2 100ml bottles of Propofol
2 20 ml bottles of Propofol unopened
(3?) bottles of 20
3 20 ml bottles of Lidocaine opened
1 30 mil bottle of Lidocaine unopened
20 ml bottle of diazepam opened
(Sprocket note: I can’t keep up.)

more unopened. 5 mi diazepam opened.
1 4ml (Sprocket note: I missed) opened
1 4ml of diazepam unopened.

DDA Q: Where there other items?

Fleak replies: Red pill bottle with no label that contained 14 capsules turned out to be ephedrine. Over-the-counter night drops. Five bus cards of Dr. Murray. An IV clamp. A blue strip of rubber.

Fleak recognized the rubber as used for a tourniquet.

DDA Q: In total, looking at contents of both bags, is accurate to say, there were 11 bottles of Propofol?

Fleak: correct

DDA Q: In addition to the one empty bottle on the floor of Propofol there were a total of 12 bottles of Propofol. Is it true there were six bottles of Lidocaine?

Fleak: I’d have to count.

DDA Q: Could you please?

Fleak: Six, correct.

DDA Q: In addition to the Lidocaine lotion. Correct.

Another photo exhibit. Photo of some of the contents of the “baby essentials” bag.
Describes the items that were all in the photo…medicines.

DDA: Nothing further.


Q: You made a search of the bedroom on 25th in the evening?

Fleak: Yes.

Q: And that’s where you obtained all of the photos and the bed and the surrounding the bed?

Fleak: Some were taken on the 29th. I was told by detectives additional information medical evidence at the house.

Q: They told you Dr. Murray told them a location and what they had? Did they tell you the interview that they had was from Dr. Murray?

Fleak: Yes. (Objection, sustained, reply stricken from record.)

Q: Did they tell you what information they had that you—(Objection, sustained).
Why did you go back on the 29th?

Fleak: I was told there was additional evidence at the house.

Q: Detective Smith. Did he tell you what there was?

Fleak: No.

Q: Did he tell you where to look?

Fleak: Yes. In that closet room.

Q: Had you looked in that room on the 25th?

Fleak: I did not. I may have glanced in the room but I did not search it.

Q: So you went back looking for evidence that Detective Smith said would be there.

Fleak: Yes.

Q: Did you search any of the other items, any of the other drawers?

Fleak: Yes.

Q: Was all of the stuff that you found that you took into your custody, was all in that one little area? (lists the bag)

Fleak: Those three bags were found in that cabinet, yes.

Q: When you went through and searched all the drawers and cabinets in that room, did you ever find a trash bag?

Fleak: What type of trash bag? Like a grocery trash bag? No. In the plastic bag, there was something that was crumpled up…

(Discussion about bag and baggies.)

It was clear plastic bag about a gallon. There was no zipper, it was just open at the top.

There was clumpled-up plastics, like disposable syringes, the packaging surrounding syringes, tissues, crumpled up.

Q: Like anything that had biological material on it?

(Sprocket note: missed answer. I’m almost falling asleep.)

Fleak: It was in the Costco plastic bag, but I don’t remember specifically if it was crumpled up.

Defense now questions about the IV bag with the Propofol bottle in it, questioning Fleak about how much was left in the bottle. She didn’t inventory for amount any bottles that were opened.

Notes printed, residual. She means the bag was fingerprinted. She doesn’t remember how many bottles were full or less full, she didn’t document that at the time.

Q: You fingerprinted?

Fleak: I didn’t fingerprint. Notes mean the bottle was open, it had liquid in it and it was fingerprinted.

At this time, I believe it was possible to be fingerprinted. We are not fingerprinted at that time when I wrote my notes.

Q: You didn’t use the term positive for liquid you just have residual?

Fleak: “In my mind it means the same thing. It was just how I was taking notes.”

Q: The black square bags. On things you have listed, it’s crossed out.

Fleak: It ‘s just a number 2.

Q: The first item was the first bag. (Sprocket note: I’m not getting this.)

Fleak: I don’t know why I crossed that number out. Two vials… Empty means there was on liquid in it that I could see.

Clarifies her notes how she listed the items.

Q: The Costco bag was a mixture of partially used and full bottles? Did they all have liquid in them?

Fleak: Yes.

Q: Some were partially used?

Fleak: Correct.

Q: The IV from the IV bag. Last page of your worksheet. “IV bag from the IV stand.”
Did it have liquid in it?

Fleak: Yes.

Q: Did you have it fingerprinted?

Fleak: I don’t remember.

Q: This IV bag had some tubing coming down from it.

Fleak: Yes. And in the tubing hand an IV in it?
Halfway from the tubing there was a clamp and that clamp had a syringe in it.
The plunger was depressed. I don’t remember if there was a small amount of liquid in the syringe.

Q: Was the plunger completely depressed?

Fleak: I don’t remember exactly where it was.

Q: Was there residue?

Fleak: I don’t remember?

Q: Was there more tubing below that IV port?

Fleak: Yes.

Q: Did that tubing have liquid in it?

Fleak: I don’t remember.

Q: Did the tubing above it have liquid in it?

Fleak: Yes.

Q: Was that clear?

Fleak: Yes

Q: Was the IV bag clear?

Fleak: Yes.

Q: Did it have a milky appearance to it?

Fleak: It was clear. [ed. Note: this is setting up the “Jackson self-injected” theory. Defense attorney was asking for location of ports, or openings, in the IV tubing, and the location of those ports, theorizing a port was close enough for Jackson to use and then clear the tubing above with saline.]

Q: When you went back on the 29th, was this the only thing you collected from the bedroom?

Fleak: Yes.

(Sprocket note: missing some of this exchange)

Q: One of the items, I think this bag, fingerprint dusted, the only [thing] you remember is from the IV bag itself?

Fleak: Yes. Remembers that the IV bag had about 1/2 to 3/4 full when it was hanging.

Q: You were there on the 25th, and you found quite a few things. Can I have the photographs?

The break was called at 2:46pm

3:03 pm
Resumption of cross of Coroner Investigator.

Fleak: “There was a vial, with some medications.”
Q: They all appeared to be used?

(Sprocket note: did not hear answer)
Q: What was crumpled up?

Fleak: The packaging.

Q: You described that as a bag of medical garbage?

Fleak: Yes.

Q: All of these things, all of the vials, hand been used? Is that correct?

Fleak: Yes.

Q: They were open and they had liquid in them?

Fleak: All those things as trash? (Objection, sustained.)

Q: In the main room, where was the IV bag on the stand that had the syringe in it? In that room? In this corner. (She’s pointing to an exhibit on the screen with a laser pointer.)

Why wasn’t that taken on the 25th?

Fleak: I wasn’t taking anything that was injectable. I’m usually looking for pill bottles. At the time I didn’t know what Propofol was when I was there. I didn’t know it was injected intravenously. I didn’t know it would be used to administer the drugs that were there.

Q: So you saw the IV drugs there?

Fleak: I saw bottles of medications.

Q: Asks about the “broken” syringe.

Fleak: I should have described it as “separate.” It was not cracked it was not broken it was not defective in any way. They were just separate—the needle and the plunger.

Q: As you sit here now you would have described it as a broken syringe?

Fleak: No I wouldn’t it.

Q: Why did you collect that?

Fleak: It was on the ground near the bottle on the ground.

Q: Did you ask for these things to be fingerprinted?

Fleak: I don’t remember?

Q: Is it part of your role to ask for things to be fingerprinted?

Fleak: No.

Q: So (what is your role?) you collect and put away? Maintain custody?

Fleak: In a complete death investigation we have more responsibilities than just collecting and logging evidence. (A coroner’s investigator) performs a body investigation, notifies families, performs a death scene investigation… (She mentioned a few more tasks).

Q: On that day, did you notice the IV with the pole with the IV syringe?

Fleak: Yes I did.

Q: Why did you not take that into custody? (Objection, asked and answered. )

Did you notice on the table some juice bottles? They were labeled the Naked Juice company.

Were they empty?

Fleak: Yes.

(Missed question)

Fleak: I did not collect those juice bottles and I did not document what was in them.

Q: You left them there at the scene?

Fleak: Yes. They were on the table next to the bed.

Q: And the syringe, was it in reachable distance of the bed? (Objection! Sustained!)
[ed. note; here we go!] How far was the syringe from the bed?

Fleak: About 2 feet.

Q: And the syringe? (Miss answer)

Q: Bottle of Propofol, how far was that?

Fleak: I don’t know if it was one foot, or..??? (Sprocket note: I missed last part of answer.)

Q: Defense attorney asks, something about what about a 136 pound, 5’9” man, could they have reached it? (Objection! Calls for speculation! Sustained!)

Did you take the Ambu bag into custody?

Fleak: No I did not.

Q: The open box of disposable needles how close was that to the table?

Fleak: Couple feet.

Q: So if that was on the table so you could reach that? (Objection! Sustained.)

We lost our feed.

It came back.

Fleak: Both vials on the floor were empty. No liquid that I could see. I could not see and I did not check the inside of those vials.

Q: When you seized these items, where did you take them?

Fleak: To the coroner’s office.

Q: What did you do with them? B

Fleak: booked them into evidence.

Q: Did you inspect them?

Fleak: As far as the labels… (Sprocket note: I think that’s her answer.)

Q: Did you inspect them, as far as the portions?

Fleak: No.

That’s it for cross No redirect.

Judge asks to see the attorneys at side bar.

Beth Karas got to come in to the courtroom right at the restart of the session for about 5 minutes, and then she had to go back out again. I’m betting she would really like to be in the courtroom, hearing the testimony.

No additional witnesses today. The prosecution is ahead of schedule. 9:00 a.m. Monday to discuss evidentiary matters. 10 a.m. for testimony.



Monday, January 10, 2011

Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 5 Part I

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8:18 am

I’m on the Red Line train. I’m one train earlier than what I had planned so that’s great. I’ll have a few more minutes to get inside the overflow room today. Mr. Sprocket dropped me off at the North Hollywood Station. I’m not sure it’s confirmed yet, but I believe I’m going to be on Marc Germain’s radio show, Talk Radio One. It’s an online show. Here’s the link:

Talk Radio One

Tentative time I will be on is 8:15 p.m. Pacific Time. I’ve been on Marc’s show before when I was covering Phil Spector’s retrial.

Many of you have left comments asking about the trial notes for Day 2 of the prelim. I will try my best to get those prior days notes up as soon as possible.

Testimony is scheduled to resume at 10:00 a.m. today. However, there is a hearing at 9:00 a.m. to go over motions or other matters with the attorneys. The District Attorney’s office has been tight lipped about what witnesses are going to take the stand next. It’s anyone’s guess but my guess would be either more coroner investigators/lab analysts, the coroner himself or the detective who interviewed Dr. Murray with his counsel present.

I can’t remember who told me this (I think it was In Session’s correspondent Beth Karas but I’m NOT positive) but one of Dr. Murray’s attorneys is J. Michael Flanagan. Apparently, Flanagan is noted for achieving an acquittal for a defendant in another case involving propofol.

I’m on the 9th floor, waiting to get into the overflow courtroom.

Finally got into Department 109, the new courtroom for the media overflow. This courtroom is an exact replica of Pastor’s courtroom. I was down at the other end of the hall to watch the Jackson family enter the courtroom. Jackson’s mother, father, La Toya and Jermaine are the faces I recognized.

The overflow room is almost empty. Pat Kelly from the PIO finally arrived. The screen is angled differently than in Department 110, towards the far right corner. So there are certain seats in the back row that are obstructed by the video equipment. I’m in a plastic chair near the door, right in line with the screen. Michael, who produced the first Spector trial for In Sessions is in the back row along with some other reporters I don’t recognize.

It’s past 9 a.m. and we don’t have sound or picture. We’re probably missing motion arguments. A quick thank you to all the new T&T readers from all over the globe.

9:14 a.m. Still waiting for a feed.

Finally the feed has come on, break into middle. Bailiffs said 9:30 a.m. but they were wrong.

(Sprocket note: I’m not going to be talking about the content of the Jpeg or voice mail.)

Defense Attorney Chernoff: Have had investigators look at Dr. Murray’s phone for data, and to make sure no personal attorney/client privilege has been (released?) A special master was appointed by the Court.

Judge Pastor asks for Chernoff to explain the master process and what it entailed.

(Sprocket note: So this is all about investigating Dr. Murray’s phone very recently, and ensuring no attorney/client information is released.)

Deputy District Attorney Walgren said he would only be introducing a limited amt of information (at this hearing). Chernoff is objecting to some content (Sprocket note: voice mails? Jpegs?)

Judge Pastor says we can go into chambers and I can make a ruling.

Judge Pastor: All this material was obtained by the court late, late this afternoon.

Walgren feels all this can be all done very quickly. Judge Pastor is not crazy about burning CD’s. He states he’s techo-challenged.

DDA Walgren: We will be calling toxicologists to the stand today or tomorrow. There will be summary report of that finding that will be introduced. No problem from the defense about that.

Counsel now goes into chambers with the court reporter.

I see Ms. Brazil still at the counsel table. She’s wearing an all black outfit. Brazil has very short, like a pixie cut blond hair. She’s also very slim and (I’m guessing) about 5’4” tall. That’s just a guess. I could be way off. I’ve seen her before in the Lily Burk prelim. She usually wears a pantsuit and her clothes are perfectly tailored.

While the parties are in chambers, Pat passes around the sign-in sheet to see what media is here every day. One of the reporters came in late and I was getting them up to date on what little we heard from 9:14 a.m. until counsel went into chambers.

There are only seven of us inside Dept 109. The camera is still live in Department 107 and I can barely make out Dr. Murray at the defense table.

9:42 a.m. We’re still waiting.

9:55 a.m. Long in-chambers conference.

9:58 a.m. They’re coming out of chambers. Chernoff and Flanagan were in there with Walgren. I can see the defense team, but I can only see Brazil at the prosecution table. Angle of the camera can’t get all of that table and the witness stand.

I “hope” we get audio on time.

I think I finally see Walgren at the prosecution table. I see Chernoff and I think Low talking, standing at defense table.

10:02 a.m. No Judge Pastor on the bench yet.

Some reporters are reading a newspaper while we wait in the overflow room. If we were in the courtroom, we wouldn’t be allowed to do that.

I “think” I see Ms. Benson talking to defense counsel. Now she’s speaking to prosecutors. Ms. Benson is Judge Pastor’s clerk. Now she’s heading back into Pastor’s chambers.

Come to order 10:08 a.m.
In camera proceeding concerning certain documentation. Court has determined that certain materials contained on computer files are privileges and are not discloseable to the People, and significant materials are NOT as Mr. Chernoff acknowledged. Our expert burned a new file and gave it to the People.

Next witness will address these matters.

Walgren requests 20 minutes to review amended materials. Judge Pastor gives him 15 minutes. Recess.

10:31 a.m. I’m back inside the courtroom. I “think” I recognize the reporter next to me from the Anthony Pellicano federal wiretapping trial but I’m not positive.

Judge Pastor takes bench.

Walgren is ready to proceed

Walgren asks to approach because he says he’s confused about one area.

Everyone goes to the bench.

Witness #17—Stephen J. Marx, computer forensic examiner

DDA stipulate that iPhone is the phone recovered on July 28th, 2009. All stipulate.

DDA discussed Marx’ background, employment on July 28th, 2009 Computer forensic examiner in the DEA. Now since retired. Was employed 7-8 years. responsible for extracting compter evidence and present it for evidence (at trial).

DDA Q: Conducted an examination of the iPhone?
Marx: Yes I did.

DDA Q: Familiar wit the term screen shot. As it relates to an iphone?
Marx: It will save whats been on the screen in the memory of the iPhone.

DDA Q: By what format is it saved ?
Marx: Jpeg.

DDA Q Placed somewhere specifically on the iPhone. On the phone or in space?
Marx: Both. (explains)

Unallocated space v. allocated space: allocated on a device that it is actively using, and it will recall that data. Unallocated, it has determined that it no longer needs the data that’s saved there and it can be overwritten in time.

DDA Q: Once in allocated space, as new files come in they will eventually overwrite?
Marx: (short answer yes.) It will be set up to be written by new data.

DDA Q: Did conduct analysis of this iPhone as related ot the unallocated space.
Marx: Yes.

DDA Q: Did you find some screen shots?
Marx: Yes I did.

DDA Q: In analysing thes screen shots, is there a way to determin the date at which the person looked at that particular screen shot.?
Marx: Some of them yes, some contain the date of the image.

DDA Q: Complete analysis that was done, there was a large number of screen shots discovered. Yes there was but only a limited number was to which he was able to assign a date?
Marx: That’s correct.

Showing People’s 46 through 50, showing to Defense counsel.

(Sprocket note: Darn. We won’t be able to see these exhibits.)

Defense attorney Chernoff : I have seen them and I have no objections.

DDA Q: Can you describe what’s being shown in people’s 46?
Marx: This is an expanle of what we are dicussing.
DDA Q: This reflects on this screen sot, that was most recently updated on June? July 26th?
Marx: Yes.

DDA Q: Does this reflect 7:03, am that someone was viewing this screen shot?
Marx: Yes.

DDA Q: People’s 46, focusing on June 25th, 2009 at 9:45 am, does that reflect that this person was reviewing this screen shot at that time?
Marx: Yes it does.

DDA Q: Did you also recover an e-mail?
Marx: Yes I did.

DDA Q: Where on the iPhone was that recovered?
Marx: That was in the database where the phone stores e-mail.

Part of a thread referred to as a series of communications.

DDA Q: E-mail June 25, 2009, with the greeting of Hi Conrad, with signature, Bob Taylor, of Bob Taylor’s Insurance of London. See the header there, Mr. Marx?
Marx: Yes I do.

DDA Q: Came from a sender based in London England?
Marx: Yes
DDA Q: 5:54 am, that time is that the time interpereted in Los Angeles? Based on that header as sent from UK, 5:54 a.m. in Los Angeles.

Marx: Yes, correct.

DDA Q: Reviewed contents of that e-mail?
Marx: Yes I have.

I have reviewd …

DDA Q: … specific inquires regarding the health of MJ?

Marx: That’s correct.

DDA Q: In that e-mail, let me freeze this (image on ELMO) and a copy to the witness. The time you recovered the email from the iPhone, were the substance of the contents as displayed in People 48.
Marx: Depends on the allocation method I used to bring it up, but yes, that’s the substance.

You’re the only doctor that’s been consulted during the period, and that your records go back to 2006 when you first met Michael Jackson.

Informal questions about MJ health.

DDA Q: Were you able to confirm through your data discover—strike that.
Were you able to obtain a screen shot to determine that that e-mail was read?
Marx: Yes I was.

Peoples 50 for identification up on ELMO

DDA Q: Do you see the from Bob Taylor and to Conrad. June 25 2009, 5.54 a.m., and you can see the top half of the “Conrad.”

So this reveals to you that this screen was viewed by the possessor of that iPhone.
Marx: That’s correct.

DDA Q: Locate that there was a response to that e-mail?

People’s 49: Was this was the responsive e-mail?
Marx: Yes it is.

DDA Q: Subject is the previous/same
From Conrad (says e-mail)
Marx: Yes it is.
DDA Q: To Bob Taylor.
Marx: Yes. (Indicates its’ a reply to e-mail) Yes it is.
Sent 11:17 o8 a.m.

Marx: Yes.

DDA Q: Time in LA is 11:17 am?

Marx: Yes it is.

DDA Q: Substance of e-mail, Dear Bob signed Conrad Murray.

Marx: That autorization of release of medical records, to get insurance.

He was denied the autorization to release the medical records.

As far as the statements of his health published by the press, let me say they are all volicious to say the (illegible)??? Signed Conrad Murray.

DDA Q: Were you able to confirm that this email was sent from the iPhone.

Marx: Was able to determine that it was created on the iPhone.

Goes over the detail of these phone records and verification questions.

DDA Q: Nothing furhter.

Defense attorney Chernoff Cross.

Q: In additon to the emails we have seen today. were there were forwarded emails attached from the insurance broker
Marx: Yes there were.

Q: Did they seem to be sent back and forth regarding company officials rep MJ and AEG. Question about if the communication was with someone (I miss the name) from AEG.

(Sprocket note: Clerical issue. Walgren restate numbering issue. Goes over the Exhibit numbers and what they are specifically. I check with reporter next to me who believes it was Conrad Murray denying the release of his medical records regarding Michael Jackson.)

Witness #18 Tim Lopez

DDA Q: (Ms. Brazil direct.) Through questioning, establishes Lopez’ background. Employed as a pharmacist for 15 years. Business owner of Applied Pharmacy Services, located in Las Vegas, Nevada. Describes his duties as owner; clientelle is patients that have been directed by a doctor/facility.

How is [does] your pharmacy compare to, say a corner pharmacy?
Lopez: We known as a (compounding?) medicine only.

DDA Q: They specialize.
Lopez: Yes.

DDA Q: Let’s say your pet needs a specific medication and it’s not available in a particular dose/size.

Do you deal with physicians directly to provide a particular medication their patient might need?
Lopez: Yes.

Through questioing, DDA establishes that in June (Sprocket note: year illegible, may be 2008) received a phone call from Conrad Murray. He identified himself as African American and that most of his patients were African Amercan and that some of these patients suffer from vitaliago. He was asking about bedoquin product, regarding the strength it comes in. Murray was interested in the 20% strength.

Lopez took contact number and do a search for the ability to get it.

DDA Q: That’s because you don’t stock that percentage?
Lopez: Yes.
He conducted a search from his suppliers for that product. He couldn’t find it.

Dr. Murray didn’t call me back so I didn’t follow up. Didn’t tell him that he was unable to obtain the Benoquin.

Received a call in March, 2009 from Dr. Murray. Asked if I was the same person spoken to previously. I said I was, and Murray inquired as to why he (Lopez) didn’t call back. I explained that in 2008 my pharmacy was in a move transition and that I lost phone records.

He was calling again about Benoquin 20% and it’s availablity.

Took his contact information again and checked a little more throughly. Lopez did call him back about the drug, April 21st. Told Murray he had been successful in locating a 20% solution.

I told him that I found a supplier and that if he needed more beyond that he couldn’t get it.

He told me that he would like it in packages of 30 gram tubes.

DDA Q: Will you be able to estimate for me the size of a tube you were able to obtain.

Lopez: About the length of a pen,

DDA Q: Similar to about a tube of toothpaste?
Lopez: Yes.

DDA Q: Did Dr. Murray place an order?
Lopez: Yes. He ordered 40 of the 30 gram, 20%.

DDA Q: In your practice in general, in specifically. Describe the process that you go through to ensure that the person is a physcian and allowed to order the medication.

Lopez: I go through and check if the doctor is an MD, DO, or DVM.
Get phone, DEA number, Doctor number. (Lopez explains DEA number.)

DDA Q: Did Dr. Murray provide you with all the required information?
Lopez: Yes.

DDA Q: Where did his license originate from?
Lopez: Nevada.

DDA Q: When he placed this order from you, did he specificy who is patient was?

Lopez: He said his patient was African American and that he would instruct in the dispersal of it’s use.

DDA Q: Is that common?
Lopez: When it’s used on a trial basis, that’s normal.

Dr. Murray came in and picked up his initial order.

Came up to the window, met him, shook his hand and explained that if there was anything we needed to do to change the formulation etc. He said he would pay for the order and let me know. He paid for the order via company check.

DDA Q: Is there any time that he discussed subjequent delivery?

Lopez: Yes, he asked if he could have (orders) delivered to his office.

DDA asks another question. Lopez identifies Murray.

DDA Q: Next contact he had with Dr. Murray.
Lopez: Several days after April 3rd, he came in to tell me he was happy with the cream.

DDA Q: Did he ask if you were able to provide medications for his other clinics?
Lopez: Yes. He asked about propofol and saline bags.

DDA Q: Did he asked about what strength propofol?

Lopez: He asked about the specific price of propofol that you would be able to provide and saline bags.

DDA Q: Were able to provide him with the informtaiton?

Lopez: Subsequent phone calls, I was able to give him the relevant informaiton.
After that, he placed an order for propofol and saline bags. Telephone order.

DDA Q: What was the quantity of Propofol. One carton of 100ml bottles. Ten inside the carton. And 2 specific formultions of propofol?
Lopez: Yes. One bottle of 100mil, and it was packaged in a package of 10 from supplier in a sealed carton. We deliver to his office in Las Vegas.

There are 10 individual vials, and they are sealed. That one order, contains 10 vials = 100 ml volume. Twenty milleter vial, and has 25 indiviuals vials in that pack.

DDA Q: Which is a larger size?
Lopez: The 100 mil is larger.

DDA Q: What else did he order?
Lopez: Nine saline bags. And renewed the Benoquin.
He asked us to deliver to his office in Las Vegas.

DDA Q: Did you comply with his request?
Lopez: Yes. I used a courier service.

DDA Q: Did the courier of the office call you when the delivery?
Lopez: Yes. Dr. Murray asked if part of the order could be delivered in Santa Monica.

I said it was no problem. He gave an address to the courier. Said he had a clinic in the Los Angeles facility.

DDA Q: Said he saw patients at the LA location that he wanted to have the medications sent there.
Lopez: Yes. Yes, he said they (meds) would be under his control. (Lopez verifies the address of Nicole’s apartment in Santa Monica (SM). Testimony paraphrased.)

The courier returned to the pharmacy with that location. The remainder came back to the pharmacy.

Shipped to Santa Monica per Dr. Murray’s request.

On next date, ordered 2 separate orders of propofol. Ordered 4 boxes. Each box has 10 10m.

Packaging the same manner as before. Second order on April 28th 2009; 25 individual vials.

DDA Q: Was that order to be delivered to SM address?

Lopez: Yes.

DDA Q: Another order. Prior to order, did Dr. Murray ask about lorazapam and (Sprocket note: didn’t hear clearly). Wanted inject diazapam?

Are any of those available in any other form?

Lopez: Also available in oral lorazapam.

DDA Q: Did he also placed an order for a tray, of lorazapam vials and two trays of diazapam.

Lopez: Total of 20 diazapam yes. Total of 10 of lorazapam yes.

Still verified his DEA numbers.

Murray instructed Lopez to mail these to SM and he complied with that request.

DDA Q: Did you have a conversation with Dr. Murray?
Lopez: Discussed the Benoquin cream. Wanted to know if there was a formula that was less greasy, and wanted to know if they could put it in a larger package and if it could “look better.”

DDA Q: Did Dr. M inquire about about hydroquinine? (Sprocket note: not sure what was asked)

Lopez (paraphrased): Asked about what strengths needed. Described same patient population and wanted to try that.

He inquired about energy formulations, some formulations that would give increased wakefulness. I suggested many drugs that had a side effect of alertness. He didn’t want it to be non-narcotic and as natural as possible.

He didn’t want something prescription, he wanted something over the counter. Told him it had to have something with caffeine in it, he couldn’t get away from that.

(Sprocket note: Discussed something else. I missed it.)

DDA Q: Did he say that it was he himself that was in need of some energy formulation? You gave him some ideas and that you would get back to him.

Lopez: Yes.

He said his patient was complaining of injection pain, and wanted to know if I could make a topical analgesic. He indicated he wanted a lidocaine only.

DDA Q: Does it come in a cream?
Lopez: It comes in a gel.

DDA Q: It also comes in an injectable form?
Lopez: Yes it does.

DDA Q: So some products to reduce injection site pain?
Lopez: Yes.

Telephonic order May 12th. New.

Ordered 4 boxes of propolfol 100 mil in each box.
1 box of 20ml vial 25mi
tow trays of diazlpam
lidocane 2% cream I made for him, 60 grams.

1 tray of floazinal? Used to reverse benzodaiazipines.

DDA Q: Did he want these items shipped to SM address?
Lopez: Yes.

(Paraphrasing testimony) May 14th 2009. Another phone conversation, discussing placement of an order.

Briefly dicussed Benoquin, wanted to change vehicle of what it sits in to make it less greasy and sticky on the skin. Worked on different formuatons to make that work.

(Murray said) the lidocane 2% was not strong enough.
DDA Q: What did you do.

Lopez: I made it 4%.

DDA Q: Did you prepare samples to address his concern?

Lopez: Sent him three 10 gram samples to see which one best suited his needs.
Products sent include:

4% lidocane cream 60 gram
1 Benoquine in specific base
1 Benoquin in specifc base
1 Benoquin in specific base

At the time, I was planning a trip, so I was going to the airport, I could save him on the shipping.
DDA Q: What was Dr. Murray’s response.

Lopez: He said that wasn’t necessary, just ship it FedEx to SM address.

DDA Q: Turning now to June 1st 2009 conversation. Picking up on energy request he had made some weeks prior.

Essentially 3 products available over the counter and could put them in 1 capsule. Was that agreeable to Dr. Murray?
Lopez: Yes it was.

DDA Q: Did you (combine) caffeine, aspirin and ephedrine?

Lopez: Yes. Made 30 capsules. Made that formulation.

DDA Q: Were those items included placed (in an order) later on in June.
Lopez: Yes it was.
DDA Q: Did you include these energy on a different invoice?
Lopez: I included them with the shipment.

June 10, 2009 another 1 tray of lidocaine injectable
25 ????
4 boxes of propofol 10mil (40 individual vials)
2 propofol 20 mi, total of 50 bottles
20 2 60 gram Benoquin
30? capsules of energy formulation.

DDA Q: Where shipped to?
Lopez: Santa Monica.
(paraphrasing testimony) June 15th 2009, Murray placed another order.

DDA Q: Did he comment about the energy formula?

Lopez: He was happy with the results and required about pricing.

(Through testimony, other items ordered)
1 tray lorazapam 10 lite (?)vial injectable
2 trays injectable diazapam injectable 20 vials

DDA Q: Saline bags?
Lopez: Ordered 12 normal saline bags.

DDA Q: Where were these items shipped to ?

Lopez: Santa Monica.

DDA Q: During any of these orders, did Dr. Murray ever disclose the name of any patient that the order would be used by?
Lopez: No.

DDA Q: June 25th, 2009, did you hear on the news that Michael Jackson had died?
Do you remember the last time you had a conversation with Dr. Murray?

Lopez: 23 or 24th.

It sounded like Dr. Murray was driving the car with the window down…it was very noisy it was brief conversation. Never talked to him again after that.

DDA produces an invoice. People’s 52.
Sales receipt for an order from Dr. Murray.

DDA Q: What does it reflect?

Lopez explains (paraphrasing) 66# generated by the software.
First receipt tracks his first order of the Benoquin cream.

DDA Q: Another order, another receipt. date April 6th, 2009

Lopez: Yes
DDA Q: Reflects the customer Conrad Murray?
Lopez: Yes.
(paraphrasing) Reflects first purchases for propofol.

10 vials of propofol

25 individual vials

DDA Q: (Another exhibit)
Lopez: FedEx bill shows that I sent a package to the SM address.

DDA Q: Is that the Applied Pharmacy account number with FedEx?

DDA Q: Does it reflect the shipping of propfol, in exhibit 53?

Lopez: Yes.
Verifies the misspelling on the FedEx invoice of Nicole’s last name.
Verifies the address, etc.

DDA presents next exhibit 55.
Another Applied Pharmacy receipt.
Date April 26th, 2009, Dr Murray’s next order

4 trays of propofol 100 mil
1 tray of 20 mil
shipped to CM at his request.

DDA Q: Do you recognize another receipt FedEx receipt that corresponds to the above shipment?
Lopez: Signed for looks like a P. Maria.
Verifies all the information on the FedEx receipt.

DDA produces Exhibit 57 Another Applied Pharmacy receipt?
Lopez: Yes.
DDA Q: … Or rather Invoices?
Lopez: Yes.
Dated April 30th 2009

Next exhibit FedEx tracing receipt corresponds with the above invoice, verifying the name, address, etc.

DDA produces Exhibit 59
Another Applied Pharm receipt
5/12 2009 purchase by Murray, M.D.

Receipt reflects
2 orders 100 mil and 20 mil and lorazapam, diazapam

4 individual trays of the propofol and 1 tray of the 25 (ans)

Exhibit 60 reflects FedEx shipping invoice.
Lopez verifies that it goes with the above order. Looks like it’s signed by someone named P. Mason.

Exhibit 61 APS sales receipt 5.14 2009
Subject of delivery
Lidocaine 4% cream.
DDA Q: Was also shipped to SM address?
Lopez: Yes.

Exhibit 62 reflects FedEx invoice.

Exhibit 63
DDA Q: Recognize peoples 63 as one of your sales June 10, 2009?

lists items on invoice (Sprocket note: can’t catch any of this)

Lopez: Yes.

DDA and Lopez go through several exhibits.
Fed 64 reflecting FedEx receipt corresponding with above exhibit.
Signature appears to be Nicole’s.

Exhibit 65 AP sales receipt.
Reads off contents of invoice quickly.

Exhibit 66 FedEx receipt.

Final delivered June 16th, 2009

DDA Q: How many vials of lidocaine injectiable did Dr. Murray (unintelligible)

Lopez: 25 of the 30

DDA Q: How many vials of the lorazapam

Lopez: Ten (trays?)

60 of the 2 liter of diazapam.

Propofol: smaller vials total #? 125 vials of this?

Larger? 130 vials.

Cross by defense attorney Low.

Q: Is it fair to say as a pharmisst, part of your job is to provide prescirption medicaiton to doctors?
Lopez: Yes.

Q: There are a lot of laws and rules and regs your supposed to (comply with)?

Lopez (paraphrsasing): Before you [can] be a good pharmacist, is follow the rules, is before filling a new prescription, you need to verify the validity … of the license.

Q: No one can just call up and get some medicine sent.
Lopez: That’s correct.

Q: Like a good pharmacist you did that in the case of Dr. Murray?
Lopez: Yes.
Q: And everything checked out.
Lopez: Yes.

Q: Is it true, there are not restrictions on where these meds can be sent?
Lopez: Can you repeat that?

Q: Do you not have the same laws and protocols as to where you send it?

Lopez: I just send it to where he directs.

(That question is broad.)

Q: Other than that, you have no other due dilligence?

(Sprocket note: apparently, there are no other verifications that he needs to do, prior to shipping those medicaitons. [ed. note: meaning it was okay to send medications to a private residence])

Q: Now, you can’t ship them to someone who should not have them…correct. So when you ship them you don’t have any restrictions as to only shipping that drug to a hospital do you?
Lopez: No. I just know that he’s a licensed physician. (and that he’s allowed to deliver).

Q: Asks about the first order, shipped to his clinic via Lopez’ own courier.

And the courier, Juda, said he thought Dr. Murray was one of the nicest people he had ever met?
Lopez: That’s correct.

Q: Very common, is it not, that when doctors order they don’t put the patient’s name, and that’s for privacy. Sometimes until the procedure is done, only the doctor knows who the patient might be.

At this time, Dr. Murray did not tell you who his patients were in (Santa Monica)?
Lopez: No.

Defense attorney asks questions about a patient’s privacy, and about a high-profile patient, and that there would people out there who could get this information and write their story.

Q: So, if someone was going to make sure to ensure that patient’s privacy, you wouldn’t send that to a high profile person’s house now would you?

(Objection, sustained.)

More question about high profile clients, and selling information. (Objection, sustained.)

(Sprocket note: 11:59 a.m. still going strong.)

Q: Also another doctor that you were selling propofol to?

Lopez: No.

Q: How about David ????

Lopez: No.

Q: The larger ones that held 100ml. How could you open those vials? How could you get the solution out of the vial?

Lopez: A needle.

I suppose there is another device (I miss the rest of the answer.)

That’s it no redirect.

Back at 1:15 p.m.

I just got an e-mail from Marc Germain confirming the 8:15 p.m. show time for tonight.



Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 5 Part II
1/12/11 6:30 am partial edit by Sprocket & bolding to highlight testimony.

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LA co dept of coroner’s office.

Senior criminalist.

What is a seniro criminalist.
As a crim. my job is to study science as it pertains to the law.
1. toxicologist
2. controlled substances analyist
3. 20% a field criinalist. Collect evidence from bodies.

How long empl as criminalist? About 9 years.

have received formal educaiton Yes.
She describes DS in forensic chem from Arizona
Cal State applied forensic scientistis.
Board certified in criminalistics

When was empl, 9 prior worked as an internship capacity student capacity.
May 2000 did an internship at corooner’s office. aFter ward offered a job as a student profesional worker then hired on in May 2001.

In 2001, from that point to todays date, focused primarly on a particular field.? Toxicology technician.

Since 2001, assigned in field of tox, isit fair to say you’ve condicted thousands upon thousands of tests in relaiton to tox? Yes.

Ques. related to Propofol testing.
Yes familiar wiht prop. testing.

Prior to 2005 office did not have a method to determine propofol (in the body). She did research and established a method to find propofol (in bodies).

She had to find a drug that mimic the drug standard.Do duplication studies. Had to determine recovery, many things that go into estabilshing this method.

Parallel recoveries, parallel runs, things like that. From a period of 2005 to 2008. Primary toxicologist when it comes to cases involving propofol? Yes.

Certain accreditation carried by the lab? ASCLAD certified Lab (LA Coroner) Establishes standards and ensures maintaining those standards.

Proceedures for biological testing.

Biological sample, what is the first process, what do you bieng with in you testing for that biological specimin. It depends on the test that’s being tested.

We do a lot fo (assembly line) processes.

She explains the detailed process where they go through to test for a substance.

After receive a service request, is to create a work list.
Obtains the samples. document to maintain chain of custody… etc.

Run on the equipment overnight and the next day evaluate it.

In this case, did you contuct testing as it relates to propofol items that were logged in as to trauma Gershwin. (This was the blood vials drawn at UCLA).

Preliminary screenings indicated that propofol was present. (A)

Did you do full tissue distribution test on MJ tissues (for propofol).

She obtained samples of tissues from the heart, intestines, etc. (missed rest.)

Did you do a quantification for propofol. I did quantification for propofol. and did find propofol in those various samples? Yes.

Prepared an 8 page report detailing her findings. Peoples 68.

A laboratory summary report was prepared that detailed all her findings. She specifically handled the propofol. Yes.

Wu did some the lorazopam and other criminalists did some of the other samples.

8 pages, marked People’s 67.

Summary of positive tox findings, also addmitted into evidence.

Verifies the report up on the screen is the report that was generated by the lab. Propofol testing, that the heart blood analyzed, the hospital blood analyzed, the liver, and various contents noted throughout that report.

Summary lists all the positive findings that were noted? Yes.

Goes into detail, what the columns of the report are.

Listing of all the drugs.

Levels found in propol

Heart blood 3.2
micrograms hospital


viturs .40

Shoot. I’m having trouble typing the numbers.

heart 3.2
hospital 4.1
liver 6.2

urine .15

Lytociane did specime test positive?

Dyazopam results presnet in hsoptial blood
Miss a lot of what the report

Miz orapam.162

I’m just not going to try to get it all.

ephedrine positive in urine in negative in the heart blood.

Was that the urine that was recovered from the jug as far as you know? Yes.

In additon to these positive findings, did you also test medical evidence?

Specifically, what was logged #1, a syringe and separate detached needle?

Did you test medical evidence? Is that handled differently? Yes.
could you explain briefly.

It’s just a “what is there” test. We don’t have ability to test how much was there. She tested the syringe barrel.

What were the results on medical evid #1. The syringe barrel ot have lidocaine and propofol present.

Did same type of testing on an IV kit medical evidecne #2.

Yes I did.

Did a diagram of the IV kit? Yes I did.

People’s #69. Did you draw that diagram? Yes I did.

It’s not to scale is it? No it is not.

The bag, including hte tubing and the white thumb clamp and the short tubing? Yes.

Item A shown in the top left of the diagram.
It is a diagram of the IV bag. Not attached to the rest of the system when she received for analysis.

B: syringe And depicted here with red laser pointer? Yes.

Barrel with the plunger inside of it.

C: Wide connector. Is that plastic? I don’t recall specificallaly. could you describe. Piece of long tubing, connector, and another piece of short tubing on the other side of it. short tubing proceeds to a clear tip that had a bit of red on the end of it.

Describes the rest of the item.

G. white clamp? Yes. white clamp attached to the tubing.

H. white thumb clamp. That’s correct.

IV label as an IV bag plub. It was a long sylinderal piece with a puncture o the end. typically it goes into the bag.

Did you break that down into certain components as it related to you testing? Yes. browk it down to four different areas.

Tested contents from IV bag. A.
Tested the long tubing section letter F
Syringe B
Letter D, the short tubing.

Long tubing coming from the IV plug to the entry into the white (?) did you notice any of itmes in that long tubing. I did not detect any drugs.

In the IV bag, Item A , did not detect any drugs in the IV bag.
No in the IV bag, none in the long tubing.

Syringe. Any drugis in the syrings. Yes, I did. lidocaine, propofol and proflazonil??????

D. tested for drugs, lidocaine, propofol and proflazonil…

p at screen, people’s 70, is that the medical evidnece summary report listing the medical evidence found? (What we just went over. tomazinl.

not proflaonil tomazinl.

Cross by flanagan.

Who asked you to do analysis on the blood? Typically, the coroner and (also?) from the scene investigator.

FEmoral blood, you didn’t test for anything that what appears up there?
I only tested the propofol.

So, it was only tested for lidocaine, toraziml and propol? (Yes.)
Can you see those numbers up there? Not clearly.

The number for the lidocaine is what? on exhibit .84 pr milileter.

There’s a relationship there of 1 part lidocaine per propofol….”Based on numbers alone.)

Am I wrong, it’s not about 3 to 1. It is about 3 to 1.

Asks about nanograms. 1,000 nanogram per milligram (???)

Testing is usually done in therapeutic doses.

What is the theropetuic rnage for the lorazapam? Loraapam is not (her testing services) so she does not know.

going onto the heart blood.

Heart blood 3.2 propofol? Yes.
Why is it different from the femoral blood?
obj calls for sepculation.

JP question.

It is not uncommon for us to have different numbers from femoral blood and heart blood. If going overall level, will rely on femoral blood (vs heart blood).

Femoral blood and lidocaine 3 to one and heart 4 .5 to one.

She goes over the numbers.

So that’s about 4.5 to one. That’s aobut right.

So why is the femoral blood (different ration than) heart.

They’re different drugs, their different from dif locations… miss rest?

You would have to ask the doctor as to who collected that sample.

Was wondering why, they would be in different ratios.

One of the things in toxicology is portmortem distribution. Drugs can leach out and g into different tissues.

Where is the heart blood taken from? I don’t know.

Heart blood is 4.1 and the lidocaine is 5.1 That is correct.

Femoral blood 3 to 1 and heart at 4.5 to one and hospital blood at 8 to 1.
That’s correct.

And those are all measured in micrograms per millieter. That’s correct.

Millieter is that a volumetric measurement. Yes.

Now onto the liver.

6.2 micrograms per grams and done that way because it’s a tissue and it’s done per weight. that’s correct.

The liver is volumetric per weight in the liver.

May I explain. To analyze the liver, we have to turn the liver into a liquid. And then homogenize it. We have to weigh it before we transform it.

Liver in relationship propofol about 13 to 1? About 12 to 1.

Now i nthe vitrious, you’ve got down here that it was less than, 0.40. why use that number? For my original analysis. There was a very small volume for the vitrious. In this case, there was a lot less sample to begin. four times less than what I would normally begin with.

It was reported as present, but I couldn’t give it an exact spec number.

At somewhere between .02 and a point .40. For my limit of quanitation, I can go to 1.0 since my original sample was about 1/4, I divided.

Now goes onto the urine contents.

The urine at the scene, did yo usee that? No.
The urine you’ve got there is .15. Is that from the body?
The lidocaine you have there is present.
Did you get that from the???

The lidocaine has nothing to do with the propofol.

I’m not sure what the analysit did on that.

Gastric contents.

You analzied the propofol in gastric contents? Yes, that is correct.

Noticed that the autopsy report says that the stomach is not extended and takes 70 grams of dark fluid.

Did you analyise that for propofol ? Yes.
(Ans That’s not correct.)

It was 0.13 milligrams.

So, how do you make that determination. We weight ou t the total sample and then factor that into our calculations. (I don’t understand that at all.)

there was .13 of the 70 grams of propofol.

I don’t remember exactly what the contents looked like.
I was not the analysist who did the initial contents looked like. but they would have looked for pills, etc.

I’m just kinda wondering what that dark fluid looked like other than having 1.3 milligrams, and some of lidocaine, and we’ve got another 60 plus of either food or lidocaine.

Could it have been food? could it have been juice?
Objection sustained.

12 parts of lydocaine to 1 part propoofol. Ans In the stomach? Q yes. A about 12 to 1.

Ramblin question about all the different ratios of everything but for the first time there is a preponderance of lydocaine over propofol. Correct? Yes.

Also analyzed also medical evidence 1…and medical evidence 1 that is what has been referred to as the “broken syringe” But it’s what has been referred to by ms Fleez as “broken.”

She agrees that it appears to have been taken apart.

She testified that only the plunger side was analyzd.

What about the needle side ? No.

But the needle did fit the barrel? I didn’t attempt to put them together.

They were delivered ot me in the same bag, but they were not together.
Think you said you tested found propofol and lidocaine in that barrel.

Never tested ratio. She did not test (for ratios).

Could be vastly different, you just don’t know. That’s correct.

Medical evidence 2, you analyzed that also? That’s correct.

As to Medical evidence 2, that is basically this drawing isn’t it?

I analyzed components of that drawing, yes.

The drawing exib 69 the summary report 70.

Anything that was analyzed in that drawing was on the summary.

Goes over the four items.
A – IV bag. What did it have in it?

I didn’t find any drugs. Was there something in it? Yes. But she doesn’t know what it is.

Did it say it was a saline bag? I don’t recall.

Analyzed the tub that comes from the IV bag, all the way down to the injection port. correct?

I analyzed all the fluid from the plug site, to the connector.

And there were no drugs what so ever. That is correct.

Based on your analysis, there were no drugs, coming out of that bag?

Objection vague, speculation. Sustained.

Did you do the same analysis on that tube that you did on the D tube?

The D tube had drugs in it? Yes.

The D tube had lydocaine propofol and flazaxidal?

You can’t analyze for flazadnil in a blood sample? We don’t have an extraction method. (futher explanation).

So you can’t test for flazadnil in the body? We don’t have a method for it.

Don’t know how much was in the tube? No.

Question calls for speculation (hints of propofol and lydocaine)?

Was there a hint of propofol and lydocaine in that tube? They were present?

Ans: Were they in the same ratios. I can’t say. I wasn’t trying to find out how much drugs were there.

flanagan thinks speculation is relevant. but JP sustains the objection.

“I can’t say how much was there.”

Now B up there, that was the syringe. Yes. It hasn’t been unscrewed or manipulated? Objection sustained. objection sustained. objection sustained.


Fully intact syringe & plunger at B. How much did that have in it? I don’t recall off the top of my head. Summary report indicated 1.7 grams? That’s is correct.

Lower tubing B marazipil, (?) lidocaine and propofol.

I’m so confused now.

Question about quantities in syringe D were the same.

I did not do a quantative in the tube or the syringe. Qualitative they were the same? Correct.

Did you analyze any other physical evidence for propofol?


Specifically referring to, were you asked to analyze any juice containers for propofol? No.

2:25 p.m. I’m starting to get sleepy again.

Goes over what she did qualtitave vs quantitively.
Explains the detail again as to what she did quantitative vs qualtative.

Nothing further at this time. But then asks for a moment.

Nothing further. No redirect.

Could we take the afternoon break so I can retrieve something from my office? (Walgren.)

Take the afternoon break 2:25 p.m.

No audio

And get the witness name,

#20 that’s Orlando Martinez

Work city of LA robbery homicide.

What do you homicidd section investigate deaths.

16 years. Since May of 2005

One of lead investgating officers?

Did work with Dan Myers and Scott Smith? Yes I did.
June 25th 2009,

Were you assined and workin on this case? yes.
Did you make efforts to make contact with the defendant in this case? I did

Was able to make contact on June 29th?

At somepoint on June 26th, made contact with Michael Penia?

Made arrangements to sit down and meet with the defendant,

Evening hours late afternoon? Afternoon.

Met with Mr. Pena on June 27th n a hotel.
Who went with you to location. Scott Smith.

Who was with him? Chernoff and Dr. Murray.

So, on the 27th not 29th (my note)

Mr. Penna and Chernoff, him and Det smith.

Inside a board room at hote.

Ws this interview recoreded ? Yes.

Did you begin you or det smith asking him about how he began his reationship with M. Jackson.

He said he first met MJ in 2006 through a patient’s son.

Referred becaue he was a cardiologist or as a dr in general? Just as a doctor in general. treated MJ children and MJ for flu in Las Vegas.

From that initial meeting to 2006 to the current interview, did you question Dr. M about his care preceeding the months 2009.

Dr. Murry said he received a phone call from Michael Amir williams requesting to treat him for the tour.
did Dr M tell you that MJ wanted him to accompany him on this London tour? Yes.

Did he give you more details or words to that effect? Yes.

According to Dr M, after this initial phone call from MAW, (answer) he said htat Mr. Jackson called him and was elated happy that he was going on the tour.

Did you question him on the treatment at MJ home. Dr. Murry said that for a little over 2 months been teating him, assisting him to sleep, He said nightly and he also said six days a week.

Different parts of the interview he said those two answers.

How did he say he was assisting . He would assist Mr. Jackson with 50 milligrams of propofol. An injection to get him to sleep and with an IV drip to keep him under.

Initial infusion followed by a drip? objection sustained.

You mentioned 50 milligrams, did he say that was 50 milligrams every night?

That was the maximum.

Did he say that was the total or the amount of one dose. ??? I don’t think he specifically noted.

He told me it was a dosage, to put him under and then a specific drip.

Throught this interview again, were both Mr. Chernoff and Mr. Pena (?) present, at varous points in the inteview, did Dr. Murry ever tell you about a dependnecy issues that MJ had?

Yes he did. Did he reference that on more than one occasion in the interview ? yes he did.

Q… did Dr. Murry explain those last remaining evenings ? Yes.

What did he tell you. ? He felt that Mr. Jackson had developed a dependency on the propofol. So he decided to try to wean him off, and introduce other agents.

In describing these evenings, last couple days, did he tell you he’d been giving MJ propofol every single night for over 2 months? Yes.

Now, in these last three days then, according to Dr. Murray that he was attempting to wean M J off the propofol what did he do?

He lowered the amount of propofol and administered the other two drugs.

lorazapam and the midazalam.

How about the following night, the second night of attempting to wean him off. He did not use any propofol and just used the lorazapam and midazalam.

On that day June 25th, did he respond to the Carolwood residence? Yes he did. He arrived around 12:50 am.

Who arrived first? according to Dr. M. ? “Dr. M.”

What did he do upon arrival? He went to the room where he always treated Mr. J and waited. And that is the room the paramedics testified they found the decedent? Correct.

Did Dr. M. indicate what time MJ arrived. He said MJ arrived around 1 am.

And what happened at that point. That MJ arrived upstiars, they had a brief discussion as to what went on that night and that MJ had a shower and changed.

Dr. Murray rubbed some skin lotion on MJ back. For a dermological conditon? Yes.

Did he begin using an IV. Yes. For what purpose? In either his right or left leg below the knee.

Was anyone else in the room? We asked that question ahd he always said no.

Placing the IV for hydration, did he describe what drugs he gave MJ?
What is the first thing that MJ was given.
2 pm 2 mil lorazapam diluted with saline. he siad he pushed it slowly.

Did he mention anythng about valium orally? 10 mg orally was that the first thing? Yes.

Then 2 am? 2 mil lorazapam with saline pushed it over the course of 2 to 3 minutes.

He indicated this was done with a syringe? Yes.

Directly into a arm or leg or using the IV port? Using the IV Port.

This was slowy pushed using the syrings over 2 minutes accord to Dr M. ? correct.

Following this valium and the 2 am slow push of lorazapam, what occured next.

MJ remained awake for another hour, the n Dr. M. introduced 2 mg of diazopam (same method).

This was around 3 am.

Did he indicate he took the time to look at his watch?

So at 3 am, he gave 2 mil dizdo also injected slowly? Yes.

And according to Dr. M, did he fall asleeP/

He said that around 3:20 he fell asleep for 10 to 12 minutes.

Was it at that point where dr M said he had been looking at his watch? Correct.

And after following this 10 12 minutes Mr J woke again.

Dr m M turned down the lights turned on the music, and suggested that MR J meditate.

He then said, that MJ would have to cancel his shows, cancel his reherasals becuse he couldn’t slee.

Then dr murray gave him some moe drugs. Mirazapam. then.

It did not put MJ to sleep.

Asks to look at his notes to refresh his recollection.

Asking about following 5 am 2 miligrams of lorazapam?

Mr. J began to complain som more, about cancellations.

7:30 am. he indicates he gave more drugs to MJ? Yes.

Accoring to Dr. M, MJ is stil awake. Mr. J is complaining that he is still awake and pressure is being placed on him (about the cancellations)

What did he do at 7:30? He gave another 2 milligrams of diazopam.

It did not have any effect according to Dr. M.

10 am June 25th 2009, acc to Dr. M. what is happening?

MJ was still awake, and was asking for “milk” which was his name for propofol.

around 10:40 or 10:50, did he give propofol (acc to Dr. ) ? Yes.

Did he look at his watch? Yes. According to Dr. Murray he had to look at his watch, to calculate (miss last)

He said he halfed his normal dose, gave him only 25 milligrams over 25 mnutes.

It was simply an injecton to put Mr. J asleep, and then a slow drip to keep him asleep.

According to the time the propofol was given, Dr. M was looking at the time, looking at his watch, did Mr. J. fall asleep? Yes.?

Did he indicate that was around 11 am? Yes.

What did Dr. Murray do, after he fell asleep? He said that he monitored him for a while. He was not snoring, and monitored him until he felt comfortable with Mr. J condition.

After did he indicate how long he monitored him after that (time? condition?)?

After he saw him fall asleep around 11 am.

At some point did he say he felt comfortable leaving the patient? Yes he did.

Did he tell you what he went to go do?

He went to relieve himself in the restorom.

DId he tell you what restroom he used? He did.

Identifies the restroom he used via photo.
The bathroom he used is depicted in People’s 9 (I think in MJ bathroom? I don’t know.)

From the bedroom, where MJ was, on peoples nine from left to right, is this the large room referred to as thecloset? Yes.

So one would have to walk throught the corridor between the bedroom and closet and then enter the bathroom? correct.

How long did Dr. Murray say he was gone ? Dr. M said he was gone approximately 2 minutes.

Transcript page 63. As you sit here today do you recall the exact words of Dr. Murray.


Would it referesh your memory to look at the transcript?

Page 63, line 22. Is that referencing, dr M speaking?

Objecton sustained. about referencing room 2 minutes.

JP: Reask.

After Dr. Murray, after he returned from his 2 minute absence. <-? qu/a?
He says that he was stunned to see that Mr. J was not breathing, because he was looking for breathing motions.

Please look at transcript pg 62 line 22…
What did he say?

He was stunned to see that he wasn’t breathing, because he always looked at his chest and his diaphramatic motion.

What was the first thing he said he did, once he noticed MJ was not breating?

He started chest compressions.
And according to Dr. Murray, what else did he do?

Mouth to mouth.

And according to Dr. M, where was Mr. J. ? He was still in bed.

Did he switch back to checst compressions.
He described that he had one hand under his back suppoting his back. and the other hand on top of his chest.

Did he explain why he didn’t move MJ to the floor?

He said he could not move him to the floor by himself.

6 ft 5” 22o pounds

How much did jackson weigh?

obj sustained.

At this point in time, in the interview, did Dr. M offer a reason why he did not call the 911 operator. He said he was carrying for his patien and did want to interrupt it.

However, he did say he

Did he tell you afterward, he did take time to make a phone call. ? Yes.

Just prior to making this phone call, did he tell you he was holding thephone and making 1 handed chest compressions.

He said he called Mr. Williams to call security, and to send them right away.

Did h say why he din’t ask them to911 right away, because the would ask what this was about and (this would nterfere with is care???)

Then he injected MJ with tomazapil. .2 mil (he gave)

At some point, did he leave the room and go out on the landing area.
He left the patient to go go to the landing and went down to the chef, said to the chef, I have an emergency send security up.

Did at somepoint did Dr. M acknowledge the entrance of Mr. Alvarez to the room?

Yes, MJ was still on the bed.

And according to Dr M, at somepoint he asked Mr alverez to call 911, Yes
And at some point did the paramedice arrive? yes.

Now, dring this inteview, how long did the interview last? about 1/2 hour

How many pages of transcrpt do you have? onehundred 30..

could it have been longer? Can I refresh my memory?

Does it reflect a start and end time? Yes it does.

He looks at transcript.

Acording to the times say in the microphone., it would be 20 minutes.

Inteview beginning 4:02. He thinks he may have misstated the time.

During this interview, Did Dr. M indicate he said he used during the juen of 6 25. He said at the most 3.

At some point did you being questioning Dr. M where his equipment or drugs were located? yes.

Did you ahve him describe various bags he used in treating MJ?

As him where the bags were located Yes.

Did he seem surprised to you? Yes.

did he seem to think you had already recovered those bags?

Yes he did.

did he then tell you where tey were located? Yes.

Describes the cubby in the closet. (cabinetry)

Is that were the three various bags and ziplock baggies were located? yes it is.

At any point during this inteview did he indicate that he used lidocaine as quote and quote antiburn when using propofol? Yes.

Did he tell you any proportion, or did he say he just diluted it with lidocaine? He said he just diluted it.

Did you ask for medical records? Yes.

Did he ever provide medical records for his care of MJ at 100 Carolwood?

Objection. sustained

Walgren: May we approach your honor?

Bench confenrence.

have you ever seen, medical records of Dr. Murray in the care of MJ at the carolowood residence? No

did he ever say he made phone calls during the care of MJ /No he did not
did he ever say he sent and received text messages while caring for MJ?
No he did not

At some point, did Dr. M indicate reference that he had requested an autopsy be performed? Yes.

Did you follow up with richelle cooper, She said that she would not and did not ask Dr. M to sign a death certificate and that was her call.


Chernoff. You left out a lot in your dicussion.

In fact the conversation was about 2 hours and 30 minutes.

The time on the transcrpt said 20 minutes. I didnot note the correct start and end time.
Well, I was there with you and it seemed a lot longer for me.

Did you read the transcript. Yes I did.
It was hopefully ver batim? Yes.
It was put together by internal affaris? Yes.

Did you read that before testifying today ?

I did.

We will get into the specifics.

Lets talke about how all this all transpired.

You said that Dr. Pena called.

On thursday and on friday, he texted Dr. Murry and finally got a call back.

hypothetical that he arrived at hospital at 4 pm. did you know that dr. Murray was still there?

He first talked to to ? and ? and they couldn’t find them at that time.

You do know that Dr. M made a statement there at the hospital (vershinko and binky) ???/ what? that he had given MJ a sedative.

That he told htem at that time at the hospitll Porche and Binky? Did they tell you that he had made a statement? They were not there to take a statement.

He left a voice (and text?) with dr. M.

Found out that Dr. M. was in housto Tx. That he has an officei n Houston, Tx.

Then he told you that right?
Do you remember him saying that we should meet at 2 pm? We said 2, but you moved it to 4 pm. Do you remember that?

Prior to interviewing Dr. M you and scott smith had been doing some investigation. Is that correct? yes.

You had already spoken to faheem
You had already spoken to alvarez.

You had seen syringes and knew about bottles, and scott smith had attended the autopsy, correct? Yes.

You had spken to rosylin mohamend the nanny, yes.

You had spoken to paramedics, doctors?

I think I had spoken to the head nurse.
You do recall speaking to the housekeepers. Yes.

And you had all that info before speaking to Dr. M.

It was your interview? correc.t

Dr. M didn’t refuse to answer anyquestions did he?

In fact, I asked you, is that all you wanted to talk about? is that right?


You choose the questions you wanted to talk about. correct.

You said that Dr. M. didn’t mention any phone calls .

Othe rthan Michael Amir.

You didn’t ask anything about phone calls or emails. You subpoeneaded phone records a week later?

So you’re not suggesting that Dr. Mr lied, you jsut didn’t aks him.

I didn’t ask him.

Now asking about the autopsy . …
You told Dr. Murray tha YOu ahd heard that he had requested an autopsy.

You have no reason to believe that Dr. Murray didn’t ask for an autopsy.

According to Dr. cooper, he did not.

But not according to other sources…?
but the other source was dr. Murray.

Detecives Porche and Binky, said he requested an autopsy, but that info came from Dr. Murray, not other sources. (ans)

Lets talk about the days preceeding June 25th, lets talk about the months preceeding.

Now talking about the offering a job on the THIS IS IT tour.
do you recall that Dr. Murray told you about a period of time and that MJ called Dr. M in order to obtain a Doctor that would provide MJ with propofol, Dr. David Adams. That other doctor was david adams.

Offered both the job? ??? Dr. Adams had given propofol?

You have implied in front of the job, Dr. M was hired to give propofol.

JP tone it down please.

Dr. M said, he did not sign up for this. Isn’t that what Dr. M told you.

I’m just answering the question.s Well, now you’re answering mine. (EC)

You do recall Dr. M was worried aobut MJ use of this propofol. yes.
And you do recall Dr. M saying he needed to find a way to get him off of this. ? Yes.

he said that he first started to give MJ propofol, becuase he was worried about this tour and he could sleep and that MJ convinced Dr. M to give him this propofol.

I don’t remember the word convinced.
He had a nickname for lidocaine. He called it his anti-burn. And Dr. David Adams said he called it that too.
And he called it his “milk.”

And Dr. M said that MJ knew all about propofol? Yes, that’s what he said.

This interview happened 2 days after his death. Yes.

Dr. Murray told you MJ often asked if he could push in the propofol himself.

DW: page reference please?

page 44 transcript.

Does that refresh your recollection, Yes.
Dr M told you that MJ told Dr. J that he wanted to push the medication in himself. but Dr. M told you that he wouldnt’ let MJ do that.


Dr. Murray told you that he was trying to wean MJ off of the drug. Yes.

And that he gave him 1/2 his amount. On the last day.

But that’s not the first time, that he had given him 1/2 the amount.

He told ou that three days prior, he gave MJ 1/2 that amount.

I recall him saying that he gave him a lesser amt, I don’t recall him saying he gave him 25 mg.
And he said that on the day before, he said taht Dr. Murray gave him no propofol? I don’t recall this.

And that the next day, that Dr. M was going to try this again. Was going to try to wean him off of propofol, and he told him of the other drugs he gave MJ. Yes.

Which you now know that he gave MJ. that’s what he told me.

And that MJ said. It’s 3 days out from my tour. I have to get some sleep.

Is that what Dr. Murray told you?

And Dr. Murray NEVER told you, that he never gave MJ a drip, on the 25th.

I need a page number (ans). Page 62, quesiton line 15 through 17…

What he told you there, was the prior .

He told you that normally. “I don’t see the word normally.”

That’s you testimony today? that Dr. M told you he gave MJ a drip on June 25th?

yes, that’s my understanding.

In this cronology, when was this created? I created this to give to the dept. coroner, as to when Dr. Murray stated he gave the specific drugs and the amount.

Do you mremeber conversations of witnessed arrest was? Not the definition no I don’t recall that.

I remembe dr murry saying that he said it had just happened. And ..
Def question I miss

page reference please…(DW)

Page 74 (EC)

Looks like we’re going to 4:15 pm.

He says that he witnessed in regards that he had not been gone long from the bed, and not that he witnessed it occur. Correct.

EC asks for a moment.

You were aware are you that the coroner why you were doing investigation, the coroner was doing their own investigation.? (??)
They were talking to witness and so were you.

Did you have an occasion to talk to any doctors or did you. obj sustained.

Heres my question. Did you take the information abut Dr. M past information about past drug use. Obj beyond the scope.

The skin lotion that you found was that benoquin?

the Iv for hydration, he also said what he gave you was saline? Yes.

You said you aksed hte dr if there were any medical bags at the residence.
You went back to the residence? Yes.

to look for these items

And you found these items in exactly this place that dr M said that you would find them. correct.

pass, hold on. One second.
that’s it.


Mr. chernoff asked about this incident in March 2009, relayed about Dr. Mark burg via Dr. Adams, supposedly MJ was given propofol,

In whos office was MJ was given propofol? Dr. Murray’s.

And that’s because in his office he had a crash cart. and oxygen there at his office? (Other iem.. puls oxyometer? ) at the office? Yes.
RECROSS chernoff? No.

Judge asks to see the attorneys at sidebar.

Sound is off. We kon’t know what time. Judge is off the bench.


Deputy calls

9:15 am tomorrow.


Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 6 Part I

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9:20 a.m. Pastor is on the bench but we don’t have sound.

Deputy calls for us to get sound.

The PIO states that if/when this goes to trial.

Sound. People call Dr. Rodgers to stand.

#21 Christopher Rogers

Witness instruction.

Emoloyed LA Co coroner. position. Chief forensic medicine. Supervise doctors who work at coroner’s office, and occasionally do autopsies himself. Employed since 1988 as a forensic pathologist. Explains that job.

He determine the cause and manner of death in coroner’s cases and write reports.

Lists educational background.

How many autopsies have you performed or been invoved in?
I would estimate thousands.

Describes autopsy and purpose.
To determine cause and manner of death.

Did you perform the autopsy in this particular case in case? Yes. On June 26, 2009


Autopsy did show incedential findings however his overall health was excellent.

Prostate issue; vitillago, polop of the colon, inflammation and scaring of his lungs, and also had some arthritis of the spine.

He was 5’ 9” and 136 pounds.

What is BMI? Stands for body mass index. Often used to estimate if the person was in the normal weight range.

Was he a thin individual? Yes.
I thought his BMI was 20.1.
Where does that fall? That’s normal weight.

He did not have any abnormalities of the heart and he did not have any artherclerosis.

The vitality of his heart? He did not have any cardiac disease.

Did you observe and trauma or any natural disease that would have caused his death? No.

As part of your investigation as a medical dr in determining the cause of death, did you consider sources other than the observations of the body? Yes.

Did you review the transcript of Dr. M interview ? Yes.
Did you consult outside sources? Yes.
Did you review the toxicology reports of MJ time of death? Y

Based on your investigation, did you also seek out medical records of MJ in the months preceeding his death?

Did you or were you provided any medical records by Dr. M during this time of April May June 2009? No.

Based on phys autopsy and other resources you relied on ?
Manner of death?

Homicide based on what?
It was based primarly based on the info we had on the medical care MJ receded. The care was substandard.

And there were several actions that should have been taken and we don’t have any evidence that they were taken.

Such as.
1st would be physician should not use propofol as indicated. so the use of propofol was for insomnia
2nd when you give a drug such as propofol you have to be prepared for complications. Common, are, lowering of blood pressure, and you need to be prepared to treat that.
there can be difficulty in breathing and air way and have 2 be prep. to treat that via intubation.

The intubation

The dr. left Mr. Jackson while he was anethetistized. and that is something that you should not do.

Why souldn’t ysomething you should not do.
Under anethesia, you have to have someone there quickly, so if there is some bad side effect you can (attend?) to it.

In determinig that this was a homicide, did you determine cause of death.

Accute propolfol intoxication and benzodiazipine effect. The autopsy showed (mentions drugs. Mostly propofol but benzos in less amts.)

Both benzos and propofol are ? medications. (

So, this combined effect, they combined and worked together to create heightened sedation.

Yes, I would expect in combination they would have produced heightened than by themselves.

Cross by Flanagan.

You conclusion as to this being a homicide, assumes the admnistration of propofol by another? Yes.

You’ve made several findings in your conclusion of you is it a fact, you indicated that certain that benzo was administered by another. yes.
and that propofol was administered outside a hospital setting? Yes.
Miss next q.

In your conclusion, situation doesn’t support self administration of self treatment of propofol? Yes.

Did you come across any factors that were inconsistent with your conclusions. No, I don’t believe so.

Dr. I want to refer you to, I believe you have it in your autopsy report, it might be the second to last page? Do you have that in front of you? Yes.
Did you use this page in informing your opinion ? Yes.

Asks info about the heart blood. 3.2 propofol and 6.8 lidocaine see that? Yes.

Now tell me, how do drugs get in to the heart blood?
Well, in this setting, propofol has to be administered intraveinously, and so that blood circulates throughout the body.

Well I was asking generally. Well, there has to be some way to get in there. Through an IV or orally.

So, an injection? Yes. Iv? Yes. Orally, Yes.

Asks about the razapam in the heart blood. .162 razapam.

That’s a significant amount of razapam isn’t it? Y

It’s what we would call a therapeutic does? Yes.
So, someone who hadn’t built up a tolerance would be sleepy (?Y)
So that would be enough to put someone asleep as a sleeping aid isn’t it? Y

It’s not enough to kill someone is it? No, not by itself.

Asks about the proportions of propofol and lidocaine.
And then asks about the hospital blood.

Asks him to explain the differences in 4 to 1 and 8 to 1 ratio.
Explains that one of the things that propol does is go…..? Not understanding. Sorry.

During resusitation and during post motem period, there is time for the propofol to move from circulation into the tissues.

Questions I miss.

Now moving onto the femoral blood questions and other substances and asking about the relationship of the ratios.

Asks why they test from different areas (heart, femoral).

From those tests the lorazopam was fairly consistently distributed throughout (?) Yes, you could conclude that.

Viterous fluid question. He’s not sure why the toxicologist tested it.

The liver. You nalyzed te liver, a 12 to 1 ratio, correct? Yes.

Is that why the liver captures more of the propofol and that’s where it’s metabolized? (short answer, yes; I don’t get the long answer.)

The liver might capture a little bit of it and keep it? Yes.
Gastric contents.

Gastric contents discovered by you during autopsy? Yes.
Those gastric contents, were those the 70 grams of dark fluid?

The dark fluid, how did you get that out of the stomach? At autopsy, I removed the stomach and used a ladle ….missed rest of answer.

Did you have an opinion as to what that dark fluid was? (miss)
You would have known if it was blood? Well, it’s difficult to tell the difference from digested blood.

Do you know if the fluid could have been fruit juice? It could have been.
It could have been beet juice or grape juice? (?)

I did not specifically ask them to analyze the stomach contents, but they did.

Ratio of propofol in stomach.
Two mechanisms for things to get in the stomach. If there is bleeding in the stomach. Another is that things, drugs, can come in from the stomach through adjacent organs.

Is there also antoehr method? Speaking of these particular substances, I think it is possible to take lidocaine orally, I don’t think you could take propofol orally.

Why can’t you take propofol orally?

Well, from my understanding you need to take it via IV.

But in the event that propofol were taken orally, that’s one way it could appear in the stomach? Yes, that’s a way it could appear in the stomach.

When popfol is taken in the vein, it causes a burning sensation, it’s very uncomforatable isn’t it? Yes.

So, usually it’s usually mixed with some lidocaine, or lidocaine is put in ahead of it isn’t it? Yes.

But, if propofol was taken orally, it would have caused pain in the esophogus or stomach? I don’t know.

Miss question.

So, if like if propofol 4.5 to 1 , 8 to 1 and 3 to 1 and the rest of the body favored propofol over lidocaine, if the gastric contents came from the blood system, it would most likely favor propofol over the ????

I don’t know….( long explanation) Lidocaine could possibly be distributed in a different (indication?) than propofol.

Is it your info, propofol in it’s redistribution could go into that dark liquid in the stomach? It’s a possibility.

Also possibility, if propofol is taken orally, and lidocaine taken on top of it, is that also a possiblity? It is a possiblility , although in this case the amt in the stomach is so mall, they would have taken a small amt of propofal orally.

Propofol is a nasodialator? isn’t it? So it owuld have been absorbed quicly?

(miss answer)

So 150 ml of prop taken orally, and it caused a burning sensation, and it caused the need for some lidocane, for the eshop, and stomach, you would have found that porportion in the stomach correct? (answer about rations.

Do you ahve an opinon about how much propool would have to be in the blood stream, to reach those blood levels? No, I would need to rely on a toxocologist to figure those levels out.

The levels (found) were very high levels? You would see that in someone who was under full anethesia? Asks about body weight.

I can’t speak to those (levels?)

You don’t know how anyone gets to anethesia with propofol (levels??) ? No, I don’t.

Asks about millogram per kilogram weight.

The recommended dose would be 2 millograms per killogram weight. ans.

It would depend on extent on how rapidly the propofol is given and over the length of time… (ans)..

25 mil would not get you to those levels. No, it wouldn’t

25 mil of propofol would be cleaned out of the system within in 10 to 20 mnutes? That’s a likely yes.

So if the Dr. gave an injection of propofol of 25 mil, propofol acts really quickly doesn’t it? Yes, I would expect it would take effect within a minute of injection.

If no continuation, the person would wake up in xxx of minutes? (Yes?)

You read Dr. Murray’s statement as part of your, and you read that he gave 25 mg of propofol sometimes between

He never said he gave a drip did he? Well, my recolection of the statement is that he gave it over 25 minutes.. (more explanaton)

But he never said he gave a drip, on that day? No, he didn’t.

Now, the 25 mnutes, you’re relying on that transcription, Yes.

Now if it was 3 t0 5 mnutes, and that was a transcription error, you would expect for the patient to wake up? Obj sustained.

Now arguing over whether to play the transcript and then bring the doctor back.

Now wants to ask the dr. a hypothetical.

JP In order to do that, we have to have facts in evidence.

DW: Counsel has had the transcript in evidence for months now.

EC: If we can’t ask the hypothetical, then, we’ll have to play the tape.

JP: then, where’s the audio.

I’d like to ask him a hypothetical with facts that I think we can prove up.

DW: I don’t know how to respond. (more)

I’ll allow the question to be asked based on good faith, and subject ot motion to strike.

IF Dr M gave a 25 mil of propofol, over a period of three to five minutes, you would expect it to produce sleep. I would think it would produce sleep.

And the sleep would be very short lived wouldn’t it? Yes.

And then sleep would no longer be produced… Yes, I think that would be correct.

In the event a person were to wake up, after 5 ten minutes, and ingest enough propfol… first of all stomach ingestion is only about 3/4 effective at IV? Oral medication is the same mill dose, is only about 3/4 effective in the stomach as to an IV.

Based on propofol needs to be gien via IV I’m not sure what would happen.

So there are not a lot of studies on it right? No.

So if you ahd a totally untrained person, such as MJ, you would expect it to be absorbed into the blood stream wouldn’t it? I don’t now if it would be digested or absorbed.

Questions about injesting lidocaine, you would expect that to appear in the stomach? (Yes?)

Asks questions about ratio in the blood stream.
I’m not sure what would come out of the blood stream.

And if this is the hypothetical, of ingestion of propofol by the decedent, and ingestion of lydocaine, by the decdeent, this would not be a homicide?

I would think it would still be a homicide. Based on the qualit y of the medical of care, I would still consider it a homicide even if the Dr. did not give the propofol,

Just the fact that there was propofol there in the first place. This is not the accepted setting to administer propofol in the first place.

He was not prepared for any adverse effects.

You think the Dr. should be ? for ?

have you ever seen where a pateint self administered propofol? I have seen one case? And that was a Dr/ Yes.

Are you aware of one in LA county? I believe there is at lest one, I’m not sure whether it was in LA county or not. I know I heard of a case in???

When that nurse self administered propofol, did you call it a homicide? obj sustained.

Asks about anethesiologist consultation. Answered a question, could the decedent have given propofol himself, and based on that (ans?) you stated the death homicide. Yes.

She concluded (aneth. name I missed) the propofol could not have been self administered, due to the configuration of the IV set up.

The IV catheter was in the left leg. Yes. Do you know where it was? It was a little bit above the knee.

Asks about where the IV was in the body, the IV port next to the knee?

Depends on where the tubing was configured (ans).

Question, question, about the tubing from the leg and where how far the port is from the knee.

In the anes. explaining the difficulty of the IV set up, she goes onto explain how difficult and what position he would have to had been in a particular positon.

How difficult would it have been for him to reach his knee area? Obj sust.
Would you say that that area, would make it very difficult to use the port at that Y area.?
It’s not to difficult to touch your ankle, you can touch your ankle in bed can’t you? Well, for some people.

You just bend your leg don’t you?

Questions about how difficult it would have been for someone, not medically trained to start an IV.

In order for Mr J to administer the propofol himself. Certain things have to happen. The dr had to stop the drug. Then he has to leave. and Mr. J has to wake up. and you have to be sufficiently aware to be in some way to press the ? into the syringe…

Dr. told us he was in the bathroom for a very short time. and so could have all of those things happen in such a short time.

And you’ve come across facts that the doctor was on the phone… for about 40 minutes.

Never considered that he was on the phone for 30 minutes. No.
Or the phone call to the lady in Tx? no.
Or you would agree, if the patient was kept asleep and the only propofol given the patient was 25 mil then you would expect the patient to be awake in 5 minutes? Yes.

And after that five minutes, certainly within 20 minutes, he wouldn’t be under the influence of propofol. “Less likely.”

So there’s basically is two possibilities of self administration. is IV and orally. Yes.

The gastric contents tends to support the oral assumption. No, I don’t think the gastric contents support that. He mentions the small amount in the stomach.

How big is a microgram compared to a milligram. A microgram is one thousands of a milligram.

The 1.6 of lidocaine that would be 1600 micrograms wouldn’t it. Thats correct.

and 1600 in those stomach contents is way more than any organ that was tested? I couldn’t say that. the 1.6 pertains to the entire stomach and the other referrs to the…. miss rest of answer.

I can’t keep up.

Now going over ratios again. Sheesh.

I take a break. My fingers are tired.

A: The idea of someone taking 1.6 mg of lidocaine, I mean, that’s such a small amount.

Now goes over prior testimony with the coroner… testimony from the paramedics who thought MJ coded 1/2 hour before there arrival. And we have comments about the interrupted phone call…

Flanagan, is he rambling?


I’m just stopping typing now. He’s asking about space of time, etc.

Coroner goes over his notes of the Dr. statement to detectives. He reads from that.

Now, in event taht you get propofol that you get to the blood levels you see here, you would anticipte a rapid onset of sleep, deep sleep , you would expect a rapid onset wouldn’t you? Yes.

When we say rapid onset, what would you say that is. Well, rapid onset of (administer?) you would see within about a minute.

Now asking about the 2 milligrams per kilogram of weight.

I can’t take it anymore. My brain is hurting.

Even at those levels, that would quickly metabolize wouldn’t it? If taken in those ? you would expect (wake up)? ?? I’ve got this wrong.

Yes assuming his breathing was not supported. (ans to q I missed)

So, unless the Dr. left within 2 minutes, you’d see the patient stop breathing. But if MJ ingested (?) when Dr. is out of the room…


A large portion of Mr. F questions was on the assumption that the dosage that MJ received was 25 mg.

Well, what Im asking about the dosage, that was based on Dr. M statement. And one option is that’s not an accurate accounting of what Dr. Murray gave him. (correct?)

Hypothetical, that Dr. Murray was giving MJ propofol every night for weeks, for insomnia, …I don’t get it all….

Let’s asume that Dr. left him alone with the patient and the patient self administered, (snip; I don’t get the full hypothetical) you would still (rule it a homicide based on the standard of care.) Yes.

Recross Flanagan

The evidence that Dr. M gave him 25 mil is his statement and you have to conclued that don’t you? Yes.

If MJ was given 150 mil. that would produce sleep within a minutes. yes, and he would also wake up from that unless he died wouldn’t he? Yes.

So, even if Dr. Murray gave more than 25 mg between 1040 and 10:50 we still have the same result that MJ would be awake at 11 oclock?

Yes, asuming there was a single dose.

And that he would also be dead by 11 oclock? ???

But when propofol wears off, you’re somewhat fully recovered aren’t you? (I think answer is yes???)

And somehow, if it’s accordng to the paramedics Mr J dies around noon or just before, these are the levels that would probably be in his system at autopsy, Yes, and those levels couldn’t possibly have come from a 10 40 or 10 50 injection?

No redirect.

Break now return 11 am.

God. That. Was. Painful.

I broke down and got some skittles at break. I had to get up and just move around. The plastic chairs are sooo hard. The other reporter’s sitting next to me are also complaining about the plastic chairs. We were spoiled the first week on those soft chairs in Dept. 110.

Some of the reporters found the testimony and cross to be interesting and supprisingly short this morning.

Back inside 109, waiting. We see the screen but we have no sound.

I see people standing. I think I see Dr. Murray sitting at the defense table.

11:02 a.m. Bailiff: Come to order!

#22 People call Dr. Richard Ruffalo?

Richard Lewis Ruffalo

What do you do? I’m physician and a clinical ???. What type? Anethesiologist.

And clinical ??? Individual that does peri medicine, before during after surgery, pain management.

And what’s a clinical pharmacologist? That’s someone who studies drugs and how they are used.

Can you give us educational background.

Bs, Ms, then degree in Pharmacology. Went back to medical school and completed his medical degree.

primarly my work is chinical practice and consult with companies from time to time.

Work at HOAGE. Largest hospital in orange county. Most of my time is a clinical anethesiologist.

Also a part time professor. Teaches at UCLA

Also assists medical board in medical investigations. Part time… made himself available to do that? For mant years, represented defendants investigated…

As it relates to medical board investigations, he usually works for the dr accused of providing insufficinet care. Thats corr.

He was asked to offer his consultation in the death of MJ? I was.

Received a letter from him, to review a body of materials and give an opinion. Yes.

281 page notebook. Did it include a number of reports, medical records, things of that nature? Yes.

In repsonse, did you write a report summarizing your findings Y
Did you note in your report materials that you had reviewed? Yes.
His report a 47 page document? It’s a lot of pages.

1st page, states reviewed coverletter from walgren.
go through all the materials reviewed, interview statemetns audio recordings of transmissions from UCLA

Lists all the UCLA doctors statements, UCLA records, phone records, photographs. He reviewed everything.

And regarding autopsy, rpt, did you speficially indicate, taht in The DA’s off providing autopsy to you, that the coroner’s anetheisolgist consultaton report. was removed.

So his review was completely independent.


And is that important that document was removed. Absolutely. it could have biased my opinions.

In your report, go through a nmber of topic areas. C orrect.

Did you cover toe toxicology in your rpeot? I did.

Made reference to the coroner’s tox report in your report? Yes.

People’s 68 for identifcation. Summary of positive tox findings.

One of the things he reviewed.

In reviewing those findings, based on your anethe background and the pharmicology background were you able to come to a conclusing. Yes I was.

Looking at the various blood samples, at the ones that were drawn. UCLA and at autopsy, based on my expertiese I was able to draw a conclusion as to what those levels meant.

As to propofol… unfortunately the numbers that’s most representative is the hospital number, that’s the true post mortem. because numbers change after time after death.
That is the most “colsely related” to antemortem. However it was drawn after the patient had recieved a significant amount of IV fluid. So that level would be lower than what would have been when the paramedics started resusitation.

When blood is drawn and put in a vial, propofol degrades over time. When we do cases in our literature, …

We’re talking about half the 4.5?

Basically saying the time at death, would be even higher than that.

So for the basis of conclusion, the blood drawn at the hospital, would be the closest to antimortem…

Explain postmortem redistribution. It’s a misnomer, it means drugs can change their distribution. It also depends on where they were drawn, and how the blood was stored, and also the body temp, and issues of decomposition.

So all those things have various effects.

Some pharmologica drugs, …change their effect. (ans.

Is there based on the drug looking at, do you have ways to predict or interpret redistrobution of these drugs in the body.? To some extent. (longer explanation about sample storage, etc.)

The more you know the better idea you can have.

Lot of variables that come into play that come into that analysis? A lot of variables, but luckily there is a lot of literature… (more ans)

Various benzodiazpines. Specifically, did you review the,
can you tell us generally, what observations conclusions you made as it relaes?

The most important was the lll know as adavan. clearly those levels are subject to a very small degree of difusion, it doesn’t have as much redistrobution. So it’s a little less susceptable to that. (more explanation)

So, it tiells us there was a significat amount of ?lorazapam in the blood. Significant degree of sedation.

So these levels of moraz, in the heart blood, are they ? ?

They were not being broken down like the propofol…..

He has such a low tone voice, it’s hard to follow him.

They are still 5 to 30 percent lower than what they would have been antimortem.

The readings on people’s 69 consistent with 4 milligrams given via IV. ? They are really high…. there is a lot. It’s about reflective of much higher (doses given).

So, he thinks the numbers of the benzodiazapams from the heart blood, he thinks reflect an injection/ingestion of a HIGHER dose than what Dr. Murray states he gave.

Explains the different states of sedation. Slight sedation, deep sedation, and under of anethesia general vs minor surgery.

Under general, they can obstruct theri airway even though they look like they’re breathing.

Asks to explain. So his airway is constricted, but his chest still rises and falls.

The breath is shallow, and not as often. (I’m thinking that the diaphram muscles keep working, but not necessarily air is moving.)

Talks about deeper and deeper sedation and how the air way can be constricted.

Asks about a pulseoxysemiter. It measures the saturaton of oxygen of blood cells.

Tells if blood is pushed through the thumb, then oxygen is being pushed forward. Tells you aobut how much oxygen is in the red blood cells. It’s an important thing.

Gives you heart rate, how much oxygen saturation, and profusing. (ans)

So it helps you to figure out a number of things.

Can it tell you if someone’s airway constricted? No, that’s the problem, You may stop breathing, but it may take a minute or two, before the oxysimeter tells that your oxygen has declined. There are much better ways.

Would a pulseoxsemiter be sufficient? It would be insufficient.

What would you need in the way of monitoring. One of the things would be you need blood pressure so you can track the base line over time.

When you say base line, that means some type of documentation over time? Yes.

All of thse things are affected by those drugs, (heart rate pulse rate, oxygen) so you need a monitor that measures all of that. (ans)

Even thoe the pusoxmeter gives you a heart rate, it does’t give you the spike (like on a screen). There’s no way to monitor ventelation. (with that equipment)

Another thing, a stethescope is attached to the chest to check the breathing… so you can listen to the breath sounds, in and out. You can monitor it that way…

But that’s hooked up to machinery. (yes explans)

Goes (above) over the many means you can moniter breath when no intubation…. (hand over nose mouth) real time, monitoring the breathing….

They give you depth, idea…. (ans)

Talks about the things that give you information so you can monitor, and predict, so if something goes wrong, you know what it is and what you can do.

If you combine administ. of propofol with benzodiazipones, does that require a hightened level of monitoring? It just means you have to know more of the blood interaction? The difficulty of drug interaction would be increased? (Yes?)

If you are giving a single dose of propofol, and you’re not going to continue, you may not need an expidoroxide monitoring…..because you might not need that monitoring, but when you’re giving it with other drugs…you need the extensive monitoring when you’re using long acting drugs.

More questions I’m having hard time getting.

You need to be prepared to do resussitative efforts, when giving the long acting drugs.

Guidelines regarding memoralizing, recording the patient sedation levels, etc.

Need to start to at basline, before you get to the drugs, (metions all the things equipment etc) an you need the anti? as well. Not only you get the vitals, but you get the continuation (of the state of the patient).

Brain wave monitor. If you’re trying to keep a patient in a steady state, you can look at all your non brain monitors, so this is a kind of crude EKG. It’s also another monitor that’s used as well. Those types of things, although not necessarily standard, all those things will give data points out and you follow those data oints over time.

Blood pressure, oxygen, heart activiities., etc. Things that tell you the level of sedation.
You can do a nmber of things. You can look at their pupils. These are all clinical things you can mark and that you can look for.

It tells you what things are changing over time.

Regards of level of consciousness, how often should those be noted… Counting everything, every five minutes.

Are they published guidelines, for non anethesiologists administering anethesia drugs? Yes, they’ve been around for al ong time.

For people who are using propofol in combo with other drugs. Those same monitor are incuded in to what we mentioned here.

and because of rapid cange, in continuim… on a monitor, how to monitor, the qualifications on ow to interven based on the data they see and receive.

11:48 am KFI’ Eric Leonard rushes off.

And must be trained in advanced cardiac life support.
what is ca life supp. In addition on basic, in addition how to determine data, you need to know how to intervene in a full arrest, and cardiac mycardia. Need to know how to do all the tools,

Would that include trachea intubation? Yes.
Would it include a defibulator? Yes.

And all the advannced cardiac medicaitons? Yes.
Focusing on the equipment.

In your review of the treamtent provided, what do you feel is necessar,

Airway equipment, if the patient is obstructed, you need ot know how to deal with that obstruction. you can do a jaw lift, you can pull the tongue out…. You can blow in one or both nostrils… if htatdoesn work you can try an oral airway, it’s one that goes in the mouth, if that doesn’t work, you can use insteand of a trackh tube, we have something called a low ridge mask airway. Describes.

But it creates, gets all the obstruction items out of the way.

Explains more techniques….

What is the jaw lift, and what is the porpose of that. Air way obst is more a combination of the tongue flling back into the throwat. solifting the jaw, that will cause the tongue to mve forward.

he’s showing how one lifts the jaw on both sides near the ear (medial attachment of the mandible?).

With two people, …oh with soley an airway obstructon?

when you push back here, if ou do it youslefk it’s very painful and it can arouse you . But if they are in deep sedation, or under general anethesia…. that pressure and angle, it can be painful and cause them to wak up.

Shows the particular handling of the jaw and states that one should be trained in how to do that. (who monitors airway).

Would you also need to have advanced airway equipment on board in this setting?

.(??)… is also good to have and also an intubation tube, and you have to have training on how to do it.

Most of the time, if you’re unskilled, you’re going to get swallowing.

another thing that used to be used, is a combi tube. (com- bee?) Talks about where this tube goes, and how it’s used to inflate a balloon. Not used very much anymore.

Anything else for advanced airway equipment. Must be able to do an emergency tarco traciotomy. That gets you right into the windpipe …. and put a catheter in there…. and then put a very hard plastic piece that gets in there and pumps it back up.

Also mentioned in your report, to have various pharmological antagonists. What did ou mean by that, when you give (mentions opiates) …you must have antagonists on hand.

If you don’t know what’s going on with the patient, you have those on hand. He mentions the drugs that reversse the benzodiazapines, and those other drugs that work to reverse common overdoses.

would it have caused any harm to give narcam (?)

Emergency ACL life support that should be present.? Are you now talking about the reversal agents…

I’m talking about the entire equipment (drugs, etc) that should be on hand to treat for ACL….

Mentions several drugs and what they do.

I stop taking notes on all these drugs and their actions and what they can do. All the ACLS (accute cardiac life support?) medications that should be on board and what they are used for.

Recess until 1:20 pm.

I got to court extra early so I could to talk to Beth Karas about what I didn’t see with the exhibits of what Jaime Lintemoot testified to yesterday. CNN provided In Session with a remote truck and it was nice to step in there and see Beth’s set up when she’s not in front of the camera. Luckily, Beth WAS in the courtroom that afternoon and drew in her notebook a diagram of what she saw up on the ELMO. Bless you Beth. You’re the best. Once I saw the drawing, it all made sense to me.

Recap first witness today.
The defense (in their cross of the coroner) this morning challenged Dr. Rogers as to what Dr. Murray told the detectives in his tape recorded interview. They are trying to get the witness to say that, in that interview, Murray did “NOT” give Michael Jackson a controlled drip of propofol in the early morning hours of June 25th.
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Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 6 Part II
Postscript added by Sprocket 5:54 p.m.

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I meant to mention that when I walked to the CNN truck to see Beth this morning, there were quite a few media trucks parked on Spring Street just north of Temple. Channel 7, 4, 5, 2, Fox, CNN to name a few. On Temple Street, directly across from the courthouse, they each have their spots staked out on the sidewalk….outlined in tan masking tape and their station name.

I’m back inside the courtroom.

There is speculation among the MSM that this the last day. I overheard one reporter tell another that Mr. Walgren went up to members of the Jackson family and asked if Katherine Jackson was going to be coming. Janet left during lunch.

The PIO officer tells us we only have the empty courtroom for one more day.

Some new reporters show up in the overflow room. I overhear that the out of town CNN/In Session staff may be stuck in Los Angeles until the weekend due to storms on the east coast. (Poor guys! What a “cold” place to have to stay lol!)

I see the witness take the stand. Judge is not on the bench yet.

1:23 p.m.
Judge Pastor

Resumption of direct, but Walgren asks to approach.

I think I can tell what is washing ou the ELMO for us. It’s the ceiling lights reflecting on the ELMO as the camera we’re viewing sees it. Just a guess.

We’ve been confiring about a stipulation.

Stipulation regarding the Dr. Murray transcript. Reflected on page 37 line 18 typo error, slowly infused over 25 minutes. Should read slowly infused over 3-5 minutes.

Requisite equipment for these type of benzo and prop treatment.

Had you mentioned an entitle CO2 monitor. Means entitle, the end of a resting breath. Tech term, capnograph.

Is an entitle cO2 monitor something thatwould be required? Exactly.

Is it something that would be able to detect an airway obstruction? that woud be correct.

Now, I want to direct attention back to exhibit 68, want to aks specif. about some of these foundings as they may or may not relate to one another.

Gastric contents. 1.3 lido 1.6 and were you able ot determine through review medical evidence.

Coronor reported there were aditional contents of fluid, what you would do total content, 1.3 of propofol inside the 70. Same with the lidocaine.

The numbers reflect in 68, do those reflect the concentraiton.

Those reflect the amout not concentration, taht was found within the 70 mil. And with your expertiese and math, convert to a concentration.

propofol = consults notes. 0.00186 mg per milliliter.

What does that mean as far as level of concetration. It’s a very (low?) concentration compared to the liver.

Now, the lidocaine, that’ waht I would expect.

The liver for example. the propofol, the concentration is higher than what is in the stomach. Even though the liver is a very high, there is no blood flow to give that concentration back and forth. Drugs go from a high concentration to low, but they are inhibited to a degree by the organs…

You could also say the same of the heart.
going fro a high to a low concentration.

Did same for lidocaine. When converted get concentration.
.0228 milligrams per milliliter. It’s same issue as the propofol difference is difference in concentrations difference in high to low and different drugs are more or less readily diffused. Depends on their type of charge, the molecules…..

Once you ahve the concentrations taht you’ve computed, they’re very low… yes.
Are they consistent with concentrations taken orally?
With lidocaine it would have to be much higher.

And how about propofol. Same.

In the report you created, did you identify particular issues that deviated from the standard of care in this case. I did.

Did you go through those items to document the level of departure? I did.

Series of issues as simple of departure.

Failure to recognize the ? pulse. thready pulse.

Lengthy description. and that there is at least a solic blood pressure. I mis it all.

That woul d tell you, don’t start CPR. chest compression. Start air way.

Air way is first
Breathing is second
Compression is third.

So, thready pulse is the first departure.

How about the failure to appreciate the drug on drug on acton. Same thing. The issue of not recognizing you can forgive, but still you need to know what to do to correct it.

In statement, that he was likely but not sure that MJ was addicted but he was not sure. the fact is, that he was propperly informed of that. (That there are some cases of addiction that he did not research up.)

And propofol indicated for the treatment as a sleep aid or insomnia. Absolutely not.

Dr. Murray to recognize that as a departure. correct.

As far s MJ not breathing, as a departure. I did.

When you have a patient with respitory depression involving benzodiazp… so the treatment to reverse…. (sheesh. I mis it.

Focusing on just those that ou mentioned, who now become an extreme departure of care. Yes.

So each individual, when you put them together, it becomes so agregous, that it becomes extreme. That any phoysician should know, should be trained in the basics of life support.

Standing alone, extreme.
Failure to use appropriate monitoring equip.
blood pressure equip, that is electronic. People have them in their home and they set the time.
Next EKG. Even have an o

A defribrilator.

Then have pulsoximitery. which should have a sound alarm for a change in oxygen. preprogrammed for an automatic alarm that you can set high or low.

CO2/ chap alarm, so that you get a qualatative depth of breathing. (more explaination)

And the absence of equip would be an extreme departure.

Failure to inform the paramedics and doctor’s the nature of the drugs given. Yes. You should let those (trying to ressitate to know all drugs given.)

Failure to monitor and document all drugs given. Yes. Explains the details of what you monitor and what can change (the breathing, the blood pressure, depth of sedation) all those things can be factored in and recorded.

Failure to remain and be present. What did you mean by that.
1. if you have a patient that is being given drugs like this, with a patient in like anethesisa. you have ot be vigilant you have ot bet there all the time. Someone hwo is qualified ot handle the issue and monitor the equipment.

If you walk out and leave the patient, things can happen. If you do’t know what the patient did, if you didnt nitice it or record it or note it, no matter what, you are responsible 100 percent for the patient.

Failure to provide ACLS care. And you described that as an extreme departure.

Overall, identified several points of extreme deviation of care.

Failure to immediately call 911. If you are a single person by yourslef, the first thing you do is to call to get (other’s to help).

Failure to use ambu bag, with oxygen. Dr. Explains the use and how it’s used. Long explanation as to how the ambu bag can give you information back, (to see the chest move(

Airway and breathing, are the first steps.

Failure to apply the ABC’s of ACLS.

And addressed the one handed CPR on the bed. “Totally useless.”

One handed behind the back? It’s totally useless. You can’t get enough pressure to push down on the chest. We use that in neonatal. Describes what you should do with an adult in the bed. Describes how you get them out of the bed easily. Even if you claim you can’t move the person from the bed, the proper training would be to protect the head, slide the individual off the bed, and then bea ble to start chest compression.

Even if they are morbidly obese, you can generally do that. (ans)

Failure to use the nasal trumpets. (Yes. long explaination)

Long explanation about airway trumpets.

Included in this category you also identify the failure to have the appropriate ACLS medications o nhand.

Fairlure to use the correct clomazinal dose. absolutely.
Fail to rappidly assess the situation and failure to give the appropriate ACLS care, and that all is an extreme departure. That’s correct.

during the noo hour, that there was an ifusion time error,
do those opinions all stand, even if he infused over 5 minutes.
Doesn’t make any difference. (ans)

Just asume that’s true, and either through being on the phone or where ever he was, and the patient self administered, even the, still stand,

That would be then another extreme departure, because the patient is a known addict, and the docotr then allowed that much like a known heroin addict, and leaving a syringe of drugs available. It’s an extreme departure.

And making sure the patient can’t have self access to drugs. That’s an extreme departure.


Did you work our your map on the gastric over the noon hour? yes.

Certainly wasn’t in your report was it? No.

who did caliculations? I did.

Trying to back track for what he came up with the contents .0xx for prop. in stomach. No. Content would be numbers there. Concentration is per unit of volume.

Would you come up with those numbers, would you just ivide those numbers by 70? Yes.
In dividing by 70, piece of paper here… now wants to put that on the ELMO…

Flanagan, does this on the ELMO… converting it to concentation. the math. too funny.

Questions, about the fluid in the stomach. I stop typing. I don’t see how they are important.

Now askng about micrograms vs milligrams of the stomach content…

45x what it is in the hospital blood.
That doesn’t go with your theory.

Yes, I made a mistake.

Now if we have 45x whats in the stomach than what’s in the blood. then we have evidence of oral ingestion.

We may have to check with the coroner, to check with what the numbers mean. Now, it doesn’t make sense unless he ingested it orally.

SO he had to have ingested it orally?

obj misstates evidence.

So, I may have made an assumption, depending on how the coroner reported this.
(So, his calculation over lunch may not be correct.) (me)

So as it stands, you made a mistake. I made an interpretation mistake. I thought it was micrograms and it’s really milligrams.
So, we’re back to it being orally? Well, we’ll have to talk to the coroner.

It’s a big difference isnt’ it? I totally agree.

Now, in your report, you went thorugh all the statements, (blah blah blah), and Dr. Murray statement, he said he gave 25 mil prop between 10 40 and 10 50. didn’t he.?
and the statement you said was over 25 minutes.
that’s what I reviewed in the report.

Oh, if he gave it over 3-5 minutes…?
Still, it’s a very small dose.

Now asking about the other drugs in the heart the coroner found….

JP asks about something.

This is getting down into the minucia.

Now, assuming the 25 ml between 10 40 10 50. That could keep him asleep short period of time. Well, six five minutes.

We are coming back tomorrow. PIO confirmed.

As of 11 oclock, propofol is no longer keeping him asleep. That’s always possible.

From Dr. M statement and phone records, Dr. Murray probably was out of the room for 40 minutes.

Let’s assume that’s right. ad made the assumption that he discovered that Dr. M discovered MJ not breathing around 11:50 something.

That would put him in a little bit of a panic state? I would assume (think?) so.

Did you know that at that time, he yells for security at 12:05.

So the delay from discovery, So what should he do…

He should have monitored the situation, the pulseoxsimeter…. (more explain) so, it’s airway and breathing.

Now how long should he spend diagnosing airway and breathing before he ran for health.
If he had done the airway and breathing, he probalby wouldn’t hae needed to run for help.

Just get the patient through that step.

So you just need to fix the airway and breathing.? Tha’ts correct.

The propofol in the blood from the hospital was 4.5 how could he have brought him back? (question not completely right)

doctor responds that sure. He could bring breathing back.

The doctor give a good explanation as to why if the intervention was immediate, and the right intervention, he could have brought the breathing back.

How would he know, that propofol was in the blood at that concentration? You don’t. But you know you have a known addict patient, who may do anything.

But you should anticipate that your patient… ?

Same situation as a heroin addict.

First, do no harm.

You would know the patient would drink it? Well, maybe not know drink it but certainly inject it. You know the patient. He’s a known addict. (Should have anticipated.)

But based on the toxicology, it looks as if he drank it? Not necesarily. He abandoned his patient.

If he had a cell phone, he could dial 911..

Is it beyond the care not to do that himself? Absolutely.

Now goes back to the numbers… with the stomach, and ingestion. Witness doesn’t know concerning ingestion.

Would you also agree that ingestion of propofol would be less efficient than IV. Yes, it’s going to take time (to absorb).

Propofol: another sort of hypothetical. of injecting 150 vs ingesting…? He doesn’t know about ingestion. No studies. It is a high fat solulable drug. The higher the fat solulability, the greater the absorption through biological tissues. (That may not be exactly what he said.)

have you heard the term conscious sedation. Yes. very much so. Write about it in the books. Yes. Different from general anethesia? yes, but long explanation about continuing that long sedation level. And that’s all part of that “misnomer” conscious sedation.

Conscious sedation diff from general anethesia? Depends on the drugs involved.

We don’t know in this case, how the mixture of drugs (worked on the body).


Assuming self admistration as Mr. F included, would any of your opinions change in your standard of care? No. You don’t walk away from a patient. (explains in detail. Addicts, that is the first tip off, you dont walk away, just like a heroin addict.)

Your opinion doesn’t change whether or not there was a self administer…. No. the standard of care doesn’t change. You don’t walk away from a patient.

No recross.

2:26 p.m.

Ask that peoples exhibits (all 70) are moved into evidence for reference only.

Defense exhibits? Up to Paper G.

Couple minutes to review things.

Can we take this time to review defense exhibits? (DW)

JP: Yes.

Judge steps off the bench.

DW. I don’t have a defense C.

We don’t either. I don’t know where it is.

Received in evidence for REFERENCE only. The people rest their case.

Defense exhibits, missing C for some reason. Dan Myers may have walked out with it. Going to try to locate it.

Never submitted to the clerk, because it doesn’t have a tag on it.

They were all used to refress recollection, other than to refresh recolection…various obj to foundation and evidence….But there was no foundation made for the records.

Chernoff. Absolutely right.

All except D, E, F, nobody actually took ownership of those. Withdrawing those.

What about A-C & G? (JP)

B withdrawn withdraw A as well.

G for the defense received in evidence.

Any addition evidence the defense wish to

We’d like to make a statement? in c

Defense rests it’s case?

any defense motion? vis a vi charge defense o f dismiss of this case/

Wish to be heard?

Depeding on how I may rule on defense mtion, there is pending there is a request of the medical board.

Is the Attorney General present? (did JP ask that? I think they said they were!)

JP said he was ready to rule on that request (from the medical board.)

So lets take the 15 break. now.

On break. I’m in the hallway. I’ve got to get up and stretch my legs in a moment. Get some water, something. I’m parched.

Holy moley! It appears the defense wants to make some kind of closing argument. Does NOT appear that they are going to present any witnesses or other evidence other than the calculation paper put up on the ELMO!

If I have this correct, it appears Judge Pastor is ready to rule on the request of the medical board via the attorney general’s office.

I’m back inside the courtroom.

There is speculation among the MSM that this the last day. I overheard one reporter tell another that Mr. Walgren went up to members of the Jackson family and asked if Katherine Jackson was going to be coming. Janet left during lunch.

The PIO officer tells us we only have the empty courtroom for one more day.

Some new reporters show up in the overflow room. I overhear that the out of town CNN/In Session staff may be stuck in Los Angeles until the weekend due to storms on the east coast. (Poor guys! What a “cold” place to have to stay lol!)

I see the witness take the stand. Judge is not on the bench yet.

1:23 p.m.
Judge Pastor

Resumption of direct, but Walgren asks to approach.

I think I can tell what is washing ou the ELMO for us. It’s the ceiling lights reflecting on the ELMO as the camera we’re viewing sees it. Just a guess.

We’ve been confiring about a stipulation.

Stipulation regarding the Dr. Murray transcript. Reflected on page 37 line 18 typo error, slowly infused over 25 minutes. Should read slowly infused over 3-5 minutes.

Requisite equipment for these type of benzo and prop treatment.

Had you mentioned an entitle CO2 monitor. Means entitle, the end of a resting breath. Tech term, capnograph.

Is an entitle cO2 monitor something thatwould be required? Exactly.

Is it something that would be able to detect an airway obstruction? that woud be correct.

Now, I want to direct attention back to exhibit 68, want to aks specif. about some of these foundings as they may or may not relate to one another.

Gastric contents. 1.3 lido 1.6 and were you able ot determine through review medical evidence.

Coronor reported there were aditional contents of fluid, what you would do total content, 1.3 of propofol inside the 70. Same with the lidocaine.

The numbers reflect in 68, do those reflect the concentraiton.

Those reflect the amout not concentration, taht was found within the 70 mil. And with your expertiese and math, convert to a concentration.

propofol = consults notes. 0.00186 mg per milliliter.

What does that mean as far as level of concetration. It’s a very (low?) concentration compared to the liver.

Now, the lidocaine, that’ waht I would expect.

The liver for example. the propofol, the concentration is higher than what is in the stomach. Even though the liver is a very high, there is no blood flow to give that concentration back and forth. Drugs go from a high concentration to low, but they are inhibited to a degree by the organs…

You could also say the same of the heart.
going fro a high to a low concentration.

Did same for lidocaine. When converted get concentration.
.0228 milligrams per milliliter. It’s same issue as the propofol difference is difference in concentrations difference in high to low and different drugs are more or less readily diffused. Depends on their type of charge, the molecules…..

Once you ahve the concentrations taht you’ve computed, they’re very low… yes.
Are they consistent with concentrations taken orally?
With lidocaine it would have to be much higher.

And how about propofol. Same.

In the report you created, did you identify particular issues that deviated from the standard of care in this case. I did.

Did you go through those items to document the level of departure? I did.

Series of issues as simple of departure.

Failure to recognize the ? pulse. thready pulse.

Lengthy description. and that there is at least a solic blood pressure. I mis it all.

That woul d tell you, don’t start CPR. chest compression. Start air way.

Air way is first
Breathing is second
Compression is third.

So, thready pulse is the first departure.

How about the failure to appreciate the drug on drug on acton. Same thing. The issue of not recognizing you can forgive, but still you need to know what to do to correct it.

In statement, that he was likely but not sure that MJ was addicted but he was not sure. the fact is, that he was propperly informed of that. (That there are some cases of addiction that he did not research up.)

And propofol indicated for the treatment as a sleep aid or insomnia. Absolutely not.

Dr. Murray to recognize that as a departure. correct.

As far s MJ not breathing, as a departure. I did.

When you have a patient with respitory depression involving benzodiazp… so the treatment to reverse…. (sheesh. I mis it.

Focusing on just those that ou mentioned, who now become an extreme departure of care. Yes.

So each individual, when you put them together, it becomes so agregous, that it becomes extreme. That any phoysician should know, should be trained in the basics of life support.

Standing alone, extreme.
Failure to use appropriate monitoring equip.
blood pressure equip, that is electronic. People have them in their home and they set the time.
Next EKG. Even have an o

A defribrilator.

Then have pulsoximitery. which should have a sound alarm for a change in oxygen. preprogrammed for an automatic alarm that you can set high or low.

CO2/ chap alarm, so that you get a qualatative depth of breathing. (more explaination)

And the absence of equip would be an extreme departure.

Failure to inform the paramedics and doctor’s the nature of the drugs given. Yes. You should let those (trying to ressitate to know all drugs given.)

Failure to monitor and document all drugs given. Yes. Explains the details of what you monitor and what can change (the breathing, the blood pressure, depth of sedation) all those things can be factored in and recorded.

Failure to remain and be present. What did you mean by that.
1. if you have a patient that is being given drugs like this, with a patient in like anethesisa. you have ot be vigilant you have ot bet there all the time. Someone hwo is qualified ot handle the issue and monitor the equipment.

If you walk out and leave the patient, things can happen. If you do’t know what the patient did, if you didnt nitice it or record it or note it, no matter what, you are responsible 100 percent for the patient.

Failure to provide ACLS care. And you described that as an extreme departure.

Overall, identified several points of extreme deviation of care.

Failure to immediately call 911. If you are a single person by yourslef, the first thing you do is to call to get (other’s to help).

Failure to use ambu bag, with oxygen. Dr. Explains the use and how it’s used. Long explanation as to how the ambu bag can give you information back, (to see the chest move(

Airway and breathing, are the first steps.

Failure to apply the ABC’s of ACLS.

And addressed the one handed CPR on the bed. “Totally useless.”

One handed behind the back? It’s totally useless. You can’t get enough pressure to push down on the chest. We use that in neonatal. Describes what you should do with an adult in the bed. Describes how you get them out of the bed easily. Even if you claim you can’t move the person from the bed, the proper training would be to protect the head, slide the individual off the bed, and then bea ble to start chest compression.

Even if they are morbidly obese, you can generally do that. (ans)

Failure to use the nasal trumpets. (Yes. long explaination)

Long explanation about airway trumpets.

Included in this category you also identify the failure to have the appropriate ACLS medications o nhand.

Fairlure to use the correct clomazinal dose. absolutely.
Fail to rappidly assess the situation and failure to give the appropriate ACLS care, and that all is an extreme departure. That’s correct.

during the noo hour, that there was an ifusion time error,
do those opinions all stand, even if he infused over 5 minutes.
Doesn’t make any difference. (ans)

Just asume that’s true, and either through being on the phone or where ever he was, and the patient self administered, even the, still stand,

That would be then another extreme departure, because the patient is a known addict, and the docotr then allowed that much like a known heroin addict, and leaving a syringe of drugs available. It’s an extreme departure.

And making sure the patient can’t have self access to drugs. That’s an extreme departure.


Did you work our your map on the gastric over the noon hour? yes.

Certainly wasn’t in your report was it? No.

who did caliculations? I did.

Trying to back track for what he came up with the contents .0xx for prop. in stomach. No. Content would be numbers there. Concentration is per unit of volume.

Would you come up with those numbers, would you just ivide those numbers by 70? Yes.
In dividing by 70, piece of paper here… now wants to put that on the ELMO…

Flanagan, does this on the ELMO… converting it to concentation. the math. too funny.

Questions, about the fluid in the stomach. I stop typing. I don’t see how they are important.

Now askng about micrograms vs milligrams of the stomach content…

45x what it is in the hospital blood.
That doesn’t go with your theory.

Yes, I made a mistake.

Now if we have 45x whats in the stomach than what’s in the blood. then we have evidence of oral ingestion.

We may have to check with the coroner, to check with what the numbers mean. Now, it doesn’t make sense unless he ingested it orally.

SO he had to have ingested it orally?

obj misstates evidence.

So, I may have made an assumption, depending on how the coroner reported this.
(So, his calculation over lunch may not be correct.) (me)

So as it stands, you made a mistake. I made an interpretation mistake. I thought it was micrograms and it’s really milligrams.
So, we’re back to it being orally? Well, we’ll have to talk to the coroner.

It’s a big difference isnt’ it? I totally agree.

Now, in your report, you went thorugh all the statements, (blah blah blah), and Dr. Murray statement, he said he gave 25 mil prop between 10 40 and 10 50. didn’t he.?
and the statement you said was over 25 minutes.
that’s what I reviewed in the report.

Oh, if he gave it over 3-5 minutes…?
Still, it’s a very small dose.

Now asking about the other drugs in the heart the coroner found….

JP asks about something.

This is getting down into the minucia.

Now, assuming the 25 ml between 10 40 10 50. That could keep him asleep short period of time. Well, six five minutes.

We are coming back tomorrow. PIO confirmed.

As of 11 oclock, propofol is no longer keeping him asleep. That’s always possible.

From Dr. M statement and phone records, Dr. Murray probably was out of the room for 40 minutes.

Let’s assume that’s right. ad made the assumption that he discovered that Dr. M discovered MJ not breathing around 11:50 something.

That would put him in a little bit of a panic state? I would assume (think?) so.

Did you know that at that time, he yells for security at 12:05.

So the delay from discovery, So what should he do…

He should have monitored the situation, the pulseoxsimeter…. (more explain) so, it’s airway and breathing.

Now how long should he spend diagnosing airway and breathing before he ran for health.
If he had done the airway and breathing, he probalby wouldn’t hae needed to run for help.

Just get the patient through that step.

So you just need to fix the airway and breathing.? Tha’ts correct.

The propofol in the blood from the hospital was 4.5 how could he have brought him back? (question not completely right)

doctor responds that sure. He could bring breathing back.

The doctor give a good explanation as to why if the intervention was immediate, and the right intervention, he could have brought the breathing back.

How would he know, that propofol was in the blood at that concentration? You don’t. But you know you have a known addict patient, who may do anything.

But you should anticipate that your patient… ?

Same situation as a heroin addict.

First, do no harm.

You would know the patient would drink it? Well, maybe not know drink it but certainly inject it. You know the patient. He’s a known addict. (Should have anticipated.)

But based on the toxicology, it looks as if he drank it? Not necesarily. He abandoned his patient.

If he had a cell phone, he could dial 911..

Is it beyond the care not to do that himself? Absolutely.

Now goes back to the numbers… with the stomach, and ingestion. Witness doesn’t know concerning ingestion.

Would you also agree that ingestion of propofol would be less efficient than IV. Yes, it’s going to take time (to absorb).

Propofol: another sort of hypothetical. of injecting 150 vs ingesting…? He doesn’t know about ingestion. No studies. It is a high fat solulable drug. The higher the fat solulability, the greater the absorption through biological tissues. (That may not be exactly what he said.)

have you heard the term conscious sedation. Yes. very much so. Write about it in the books. Yes. Different from general anethesia? yes, but long explanation about continuing that long sedation level. And that’s all part of that “misnomer” conscious sedation.

Conscious sedation diff from general anethesia? Depends on the drugs involved.

We don’t know in this case, how the mixture of drugs (worked on the body).


Assuming self admistration as Mr. F included, would any of your opinions change in your standard of care? No. You don’t walk away from a patient. (explains in detail. Addicts, that is the first tip off, you dont walk away, just like a heroin addict.)

Your opinion doesn’t change whether or not there was a self administer…. No. the standard of care doesn’t change. You don’t walk away from a patient.

No recross.

2:26 p.m.

Ask that peoples exhibits (all 70) are moved into evidence for reference only.

Defense exhibits? Up to Paper G.

Couple minutes to review things.

Can we take this time to review defense exhibits? (DW)

JP: Yes.

Judge steps off the bench.

DW. I don’t have a defense C.

We don’t either. I don’t know where it is.

Received in evidence for REFERENCE only. The people rest their case.

Defense exhibits, missing C for some reason. Dan Myers may have walked out with it. Going to try to locate it.

Never submitted to the clerk, because it doesn’t have a tag on it.

They were all used to refress recollection, other than to refresh recolection…various obj to foundation and evidence….But there was no foundation made for the records.

Chernoff. Absolutely right.

All except D, E, F, nobody actually took ownership of those. Withdrawing those.

What about A-C & G? (JP)

B withdrawn withdraw A as well.

G for the defense received in evidence.

Any addition evidence the defense wish to

We’d like to make a statement? in c

Defense rests it’s case?

any defense motion? vis a vi charge defense o f dismiss of this case/

Wish to be heard?

Depeding on how I may rule on defense mtion, there is pending there is a request of the medical board.

Is the Att G present?

So lets take the 15 break. now.


Any motion instruciton.?

Not a motion instruciton, comments on the

If ther any affirmative defense, Is there any defense motion not additonal dcuments or

Is there argument.

Is there a defense motion to dismiss/

Yes there is.

JP has to explain to atty’s the procedure here in ct.

It’s in your court.

Defense is a little befuddled (Low?)

Your honor I’m trying to see ow we started out in this court, and probaly started out in a detail anticiption, as to why his office has accused Dr. Murray of this ugly thing.

When looking back at some of the things written down.

well, propofol, is for general surger only, so I guess we wnat to keep this specific to the facts.

Rambling statement if you ask me.

So you have to determine, if Mr. Walgren put on evidence to support each and every one of the (elements)?

Was Dr. Murray, ?? killed Michael Jackson?

When did we hear where the time of death, once we can figure out the time of death we can know who was involved.

They didn’t ask the Coroner the time of death.
Dr. cooper was asked what time she announced, but no time for arrest( cardiac).

I’m sorry. This is unforkin’ believeable.

Now about what the paramedic’s thought MJ died.

We don’t have a time of death, we have an approximation.

We didn’t hear anyone say who killed MJ. we have a lot of ????

I don’t understand that. All that testimony comes after the fact. Who’s going to tell me, what Conrad Murray did before his death, that caused that death.

There is only person, through Detective Martinez, was Dr. Conrad Murray.

I’m sorry. This is comical if you ask me.

Every expert that Mr. Walgren called agreed, that 25 mg propofol of what Dr. Murray pushed, was not enough to kill a man.

Witnesses called, said that the amount of propofol in the stomach, (was enough to???)

More talk about levels found in the body after the fact got in there that we dont know how.

Came from ? only or came from Michael Jackson only or came from a combination.

The amt of propofol found in the stomach of MJ, and the fact that you have the juice on the counter, and no history ever of Dr. M would give him oral prpopfol drugs.

Again, strong possibility based on the prior…. when it comes down to Dr. M, did you kill MJ, it just didn’t make any sense.

If you look at the conduct of Dr. Murray over 3 months time, Dr. M would have the best understanding day after day after day, exactly how MJ would have reacted to the propofol drugs.

All those machines in the hospital tell doctors who have never seen a patient before….but Dr. Murray, who had seen MJ day after day would have seen how this drug (interacted with him).

The course of conduct and the experience, and the day that Dr. Murray trying to wean him off the drug, he suddenly doses him out the roof? He’s a ? docotr. He cares about MJ.

We have a serious causation here.. What we did not hear was from I’m going to talk about a witness was not here, can I talk about that?

JP No,

Only we did not hear from a like minded similar cardiac doctor say on the stand in a similar situation to present on the standard of care. We heard from a professor and a clinicitian, says HE would require for standard of care. But that’s from an anethesiologist what he would use as a standard of care. We didn’t hear from a cardiologist in a similar situation and training.

And lastly sir, I know you heard that some of the experts were asked their opinion whether or not enough time it took to administer propofol 3-5 vs 15 minutes would not change their mind,
I would submit to you sir, that putting someone out for a few minutes. (longer argument here)

That it would be resonable to believe that it would put the patient out for more than about a few minutes.

And that propofol would have burned off… ( did he say that? !!!)

Now taking about Dr. Murray injecting about 10:40… they used that even so if Dr. Murray was away from MJ, so even if he was, how could he have given another dose of propofol?

so what was going on between 11 am and 12 am?

That goes to show ou right there that Dr. Murry could not have given that dose, he was on the phone.

We can talk about the proper way to do CPr, I don’t know that Dr. Murray should be held accountable for killing MJ for not “breathing the life” back into MJ…. (not sure that’s correct).

Something about “the guys in the field” who do this for aliving… sometimes (you just can’t save them????)

Based on your argument. how reasonable is it to accept, the proposition that a very demanding patient, was being tended to by his phys from 1 am to approx 10:40 and admistered a miryad of sedatives. different quantities, how that had no effect, how reasonalbe is it that administering a 5 minute does of propofol.?

I think it is reasonable, because you know it’s not going to last more than 5 minutes.

Dr. cooper presented, talked about using propofol to use on brain injury patients. But the other beautiful thing is it doesn’t last long and when you come out you’re not drugged out?

Isn’t the person stil lsleep devprived?

What purpose does it serve, if it’s only going to keep the person asleep for five minutes? JP

Low. talks about shot of adreneline. In front of hundreds of fans, and when you come off the stage, it just doesn’t shut off…. is that it’s difficult to come down off our own chemestry to say you will. Gives this other explanation of not being able to go to sleep….Then your natural body takes over so that our natural body sleep can take over.

Atleast it allows you to get ther.

People heard?


your honor, in contrst Mr. Low’s comment, it was not MJ time to go. It was not for the recklessnes of Dr. M. It was not his time to go.
MJ children are without a father.

And for him to opine, that it was just frankly time to go, is offensive.

The reason MJ is not here today, is because of the carless, neglegence careless incompetence of Dr. M.

MJ is dead at the hands of Dr M.

Walgren is very angry and passionately in a loud voice, arguing his case.

Every single drug on that report, was provided, by Dr. Murray.

He’s very forceful in his statements.

Goes over the testimony of various witnesses.

But at 12:12 receives first phone call MAW receives.

Mr. Alvarez, from when he enters the room.

He’s busy with hiding evidence.
He’s telling him to take these bags.
Take down an IV bag that appeared to have a bottle in it so that it could be placed elsewhere.

We also know Dr. M tells members of the detail, Dr. M is trying to get back to the home to get some cream, I submit it was to get back to the home to dispose of evidence.

paramedics testimony.
What we do know from paramedics, at no time did Dr. M mention propofol. when the information was needed, he never mentioned it. That goes to consciousness of guilt. But never once mentions propofol, but never mentions the benzodiaz he administered.

He doesn’t mention to UCLA medical doctors. He doensnt mention becuase he knows what he’s done, he knows that he’s trying to cover up.

Fleak testimony, and what she found at the house.

Also know, cooberating testimony of Alvarez, recovered an IV bag with a bottle of propofol upsidedown in the bag.

Toxicology findings by Jaime Lintemoot.

Testimony of how much propofol was shipped. 90 bottles shipped on June 10 just two weeks before his death.

Coroner testimony.
It’s still a homicide, even if MJ self administered.
Ruffalo testimony. The detail of the gross neglegence and standard of care. That it was an extreme departure from standard of care. ANY doctor, any doctor should know.

we heard from DEA as to the email. we know from the screen shots, that Dr. Murray is reding from the email.

We know that he’s responding with another lengthly email.
we heard in detail about thephone records, and the phone calls to girlfriends and from patients.

Heard from Sade Anding at 11:51, and that Dr. Murray stopped responding and after 5 mnutes , Dr. M stopped responding and she heard a comotion.

Now look at Dr. M ‘s own words.

Goes over what he has said that he did to treated MJ in the interview . Goes over his detail time line.

Goes to the bathroom and he’s shocked. Shocked to find MJ not breathing, and that he’s never breathing again.

Why is that significant.

MJ was called at 12:17.. That means Dr. Murray waited almost an hour before he calls 911. (over an hour)

Points out the specific contradiction. Given not the day of the incident, given 2 days after the incident in a hotel, with his attorneys.

Dr. Murray has time to think about the events thnk about what he’s going to say.

According to Dr. Murray’s own timeline, that he let MJ lie there for over an hour not breathing.

Or he could be lying about his timeline, and Dr. M is not being truthful about his timeline.

Third option, is that Dr. Murray is so utterly so incompetent and reckless, that he has no idea what he gave him or when.

Tragically, it led to the death of MJ, based on the theory of involuntary manslaughter.

took time to call Michale Amir. Took time to call security guard.

To call 911 would give a quicker response, but would not give him time enough to cover up what he had done.

Okay. Walgren is talking so fast I can’t get it all. My fingers are TIRED!

Goes over the explanations he gave for not calling 911 when he did and why he din’t get MJ off the bed so he culd do proper CPR.

You are trained ot grab them by the shoulder protect the head and drag them to the floor.

Goes over the cream he wanted ot get.

Propofol is not indicated for sleep. It’s used for an anethetic.

Heard about the failure tokeep medical records or to monitor.
failure to monitor and be present.

Failfure to provid the proper cardica care.

Standard was breached over and over and over again.

Because of Dr. M. actions is why MJ is not longer here, and NOt becuse it was his time to go.

He was motivated by other things. Because of his complete failure and his acton. that MJ is no longer with us.


Low further comments.

When I was in the service of the marine core…

Oh blather!

Saying does’t make it so. Although Mr. Walgren appears to be angry, saying doesn’t make it so.

That if Dr. Murray would have been… saying doesn’t make it so.

Although there appears to be emotion and angry.. need to…. sheesh. I can’t keep up.

Did Mr. Walgren ever prove to you that if they had done something sooner, no that was just benefit without the fact.

I’m sorry. I just can’t write anymore of this weak, ineffectual argument.

Instead of getting upset, at least prove. Saying doesn’t make it so.

These points he’s bringing up….Oh. My. Lord. Now the discrepancy as to the LENGTH of the interview of Dr. Murray by the detectives.

Sorry. No more of this argument from me.

this court has reviewed all the evidence the def motion to dismiss is denied.

Apera 2 me of the evidnce the offience has bene commited,
iroder Dr murray be held there for.

Any issues of bail filed by medical board. do the state want to be heard?

As it relates to any bail, or there of>


We confronted back then, Judge Schwartz, we asked for bail back then at 300, at that time Judge ordered bail to be set at 75,000 we now ask for bail for 300,000 for flight risk and safety of the public.

We understand that the judge was not as informed as your honor. Now that your honor has heard more of what has transpired, we ask that that bail.

Ms. Saunders Medical board.

We’re appearing on behalf of director of the medical board, to provide justice and that as a conditon of bail, that the defendant have restrictions on him as a conditon of his bail not to be able to practice,

After trial, that this order to this defendant not practice and to show that an order of the saftely to the public has bene met.

Sicne the defendant held over, that there are restrictions o nhis license are in effec,t we further request that he be prevented from practicing here in California.

delay in calling 911.

did not monitor patient while under heavy sedation.
(goes through her list of reasons to restrict his license.)

I’m not going to list all that she says. Sorry. It’s like a total repeat.

If he’s still allowed to practice, the public is at risk (more).

Waiting for action, (trial outcome) continues the public’s risk.

The judge can pose limitations on bail.

allowing the defendant to continue to practice is too much of a risk to the public.

At a minimum, the court impose the same restrictions.

First respond to def request to raise bail.
Flight risk and danger to the public.

Murray has always appeared. He has never failed to appear. Don’t know that he’s a flight risk. He’s already under 3 times the amount scheduled.

He did help a woman who has fainted in the air (flight).

No reason what so ever, and certainly not for reasons Mr. W stated. So I would disagree with that.

Medical license.

Now asking, you’ve found probable cause that something going on, but they have not provided any other infor, no complaints, no malpractice, he’s spent 21 years as a Dr… the thing you found probably cause for, was an issue in isolation.

The At G. full well knows, Dr. M hasn’t practiced in Cal since 2009. Dr. Murray prac have been limited to two other states. there’s no meaningful distinction from practicing, from that. His patinets, they do not have a doctor, the efffect it wil lhave on his personal life, his defense, is immediate.

You familiar with Gray vs medical board. the standard is immenent, public danger. It’s not immenent. If it was immenent, we would have heard this already.

All they’ve done, is waited for you to act. They could have gone in before. (feb, earlier)

If you’re trying to determine if it’s immenent public harm, then you need ot look at what they did to make that determination.

The effect on the citizens. they’ve asked you to take away his ability to practice in California. The real effect of that is nothing, since he doens’t practice here.

The real effect is punishment, because of where he does practice in TX.

Anything more Ms. Saunders. Yes your honor.

Defense states that Mr. Murray doesn’t have any complaints against him. Well, that was the same situation at the time of MJ death.

If he really doesn’t have any patients here, then not practicing here in California, won’t be a problem.

Prior, we didn’t have all the facts that we have now heard in the last six days.

More…. All of this makes him a danger, but to any patient he sees.

One more comment from Chernoff.
It’s not that Dr. M says he wants to practice in California, it’s the effect.

Talks about what he does currently, sees patients in his office and prescribes heart medication.

There are things you can do, verse the ? action.

Increase the bail, court denies the request. Satisfied that the bail presently set, which is three tiems the presumptive bail (is sufficinet(. Certainly recognize posture. ct does have the ability to reconsider, I have done so and I am satisfied and shall remain.

In regard of the requesto of the motion of the medical bouard, ct understands that any such order must comport with due process…

Cites a case I don’t get, before the court can undertake any restrictions of a defendant phys, the defense has a right to be provided with notice and a right to be heard.
Certianly the defense has been provided with notice, when the medical board presneted back in 2009 (error? ) and the ct took into cnsideration of that notice at that time.

At that time I made it very clear, my denial of the motion was bassed on the clear dicttles of the appellate couts of the state.

This court did not have the authority of bail at the juncture. or of the license.

if at the prelim the things change. in a predepravation hearing the court must balance due process. First the private interest that will be effected by the act.

The continued livelihood
the risk of eroneous depravation based on the depravaton used.
and the dignity interest.


This hearing has been a sginficant hearing as far as presentaton and evidence and the rights of the defense to explore evidence presented and to underline the sufficiency of any case. The corss has been extensive probing and vigerous. There is no eroneous issue of a deprivacy issue.

The prceduralsafeguards are to this proceeding as to this magistrate for fact finding.

The govts nterest and invovle the burdens… shoot. I can NOT keep up with Pastor’s ruling that he’s going through!

So as I balance all of these factors under Eldridge and Ppl vs Ramarez, due process has been afforded Dr. Murray .

Another case called, the def dr. murrya had been provided with a phonacaphy of legal proteection.

Ct is relying on all the facts presented, as well as allthe facts at this hearing

gillmar vs harmar

gray vs superior ct

In evaluation bail conditions, penal 1273, 1273 12 77,
explains about bail decision.

Circumstances have changed have changed dramatically,
court finds extraordinary manates to approving the request by the medical board.

So, he’s restricting the license or banning it all together.

cites a case.

the overall consideration of the protection of the public, and I’m satisfied that non intervention at this time, does impose a danger to public safety.

citing another case.
“There is no other profession where one passes so completely when one passes control of one person to another.”

In this case there is a direct nexus and connection between the actions of Dr. Murray, and a homicide.
(more) and the fitness and competence to practice medicine.

In undertaking an issue of restrictions ct recognizes the standard of proof is not simple probable cause, the standard of proof the ct must utilize, there is clear and convincing prooof that there is a certaintly that sanctions are appropriate.

another case.

This ct is satisfied by clear and convicing proof to a medical certainty.

Conditions of bail is appropriate. Orders all of existing conditons of bail amt. and also orders the conditonal

Immediatley cease and disist frompracticing in the state of californila is now suspended by this court as a conditon of bail.

They are to notifiy the approprite authorities in other states within the next 24 hours.

Provide represite proof to this court, in the next 24 hours.
to any and all licensing agencies where Dr. M holds a license.

Find there is good cause. (lists examples of the changed circumstances)

cites a case for finding. for good cause.

Dr. Murray is not to practice in any other jursdiction, in less he is so license.

Arraignment will be set two weeks from today.
January 25th, at 8L30 am.

Nothing else?

Stay this order pending apellate review?


That’s it. concluded.


Afterword, I go hang out in the front of the building to see the participants come out. Flanagan is the first to exit the building and it was like a swarm of bees descending on him in the plaza. All the reporters and cameramen and radio correspondents jockeying for the best location for video and sound.

Later, Beth and her coworker Grace come across the street and I wait with them to see who comes out next. Flanked by deputies that are trying to keep the press back La Toya comes out first. As soon as she exits the building, she stops to shake hands with a few fans. Beth thought that was nice. As she walks the taped off area, the press still swrams forward just as she’s about to get into the waiting driver. About a minute or two later, Randy Jackson comes out with another contingent of sheriff deputy bodyguards. The same swarming effect happens with the yellow tape being trampled to the ground as cameramen try to get close to him for a shot. One of the reporters said they heard Randy say as he got into the waiting car, “They did a good job.” (meaning the prosecution.) I did not hear it.

I decide to take the long trek home on the train. My husband doesn’t know if he can pick me up or not. He’s still at a bakery, working on some equipment. I won’t know until I get into N. Hollywood if he can pick me up yet.

Beth is hoping they will send her out for the arraignment, but I think that’s going to be a pretty quick deal. No more than 20 minutes at most, if that. I can’t imagine that it would take longer, but, I haven’t been to a high profile arraignment before.

Many of you have asked if I will cover the trial. That’s not really up to me. It will be up to whether or not the PIO will grant me a seat inside the courtroom.

From the little feedback I’ve gotten from Pat Kelly, it’s highly unlikely that they will have a media overflow room for the trial. There just isn’t going to be another courtroom that will be empty for that long that they could put the extra press in.

Understand, this was the first time that I was considered part of the media by the PIO. There are many, many, highly respected reporters who are regularly in the Criminal Justice Center on a daily basis and I would rightly assume that those reporters (who have a press pass, issued by a police department, which I do not) would get into the courtroom before me.

At this point, I do not know if I will try to cover the arraignment. I’ll just have to wait and see.

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